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triggerman

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questions on lane play in reno
« on: May 05, 2011, 10:44:46 PM »
lets see this will be my 4th or 5th trip to the stadium now, and Ive always played the team event with a small swing (of course I never score well out there) typically playing 12-9 or so, but being as inconsistent as I am i leave a lot of washouts and splits making for a long day)  Anyway long story short, we have been putting the shot out at my home house, we use a different oil so I know the stadium will play a bit slicker, but not a lot, we have the same lane surface and same machine, just different oil.  anyway the 12-9 shot is there, like I figured it would be, last night tho I experimented with a pearl ball  up 7 to see what was there, I liked the reaction and carry I got,

 

Has anyone thats been there played this area or watched others play this area, I know the curretn AE leader was up 5 ive been told, but anyone here have any real experience out there.  My pearl cherry bomb looked really good out there, and after we had the lane pretty well chewed up I switched to a quantum helix and liked it just as much

 

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Re: questions on lane play in reno
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2011, 07:02:41 AM »
To add to the discussion, it's not possible for your home lanes to duplicate the reaction even if the lanes have the same surface.  There are just too many variables.  In the stadium itself, the lanes do not play the same from pair to pair.  As notclay has mentioned, and I agree with, keep playing as many lines as you can.  And the most important thing is to be flexible.  If the shot is not there, it's not there.
 



triggerman wrote on 5/9/2011 5:31 AM:
well we go next week so it will be interesting, our house has the same lanes, same machine but different oil like I said earlier, Ive seen good looks up 8 with a smooth rolling pearl, seen good looks 12-8 with a decent solid, and had great looks in deeper when they break, (lets just say Ive been throwing a ton of different lines at this point, looking for a comfort spot)  none of my stuff other then the VE are snappy, most roll up smooth and retain energy pretty darn good,


 


last year I thought the backs were soft, and now I am hearing mixed on the firmness of this years backends, what are the thoughts of those that have been there of a stronger backend vs the last two years


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Re: questions on lane play in reno
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2011, 07:15:46 AM »
I wholeheartedly agree, I am using ours as practice for hitting my mark and controling speed and my break point, understanding what each ball will do on this pattern (our shot) will allow me some level of confidence in my stuff, if the lane conditions are slicker then I see at home I will welcome that, ours is still slick but I could use the extra 2 feet of push to be honest, this is my 8-9th trip so the softer hand not grabbing it at the bottom is becoming old hat at this point, but I hate to practice and then be completely off base when I get there, let alone I dont want to lug 8-10 balls to reno

 

got this week and part of next week to throw on the pattern, plus we are shooting on some pba patterns this week as well, learning to stay within my game will be the biggest lesson


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Re: questions on lane play in reno
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2011, 07:23:53 AM »
It sounds like you have a solid plan.  Good luck out there, and remember it's only a game!



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Re: questions on lane play in reno
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2011, 12:20:07 PM »
Some good suggestions and advice out there.  I put the shot down again on a different pair this time, and didn't have quite the "easiness" as I had the first time playing out.  It was still very playable, but it was tighter than the other pair I practiced on. 

 

The interesting part this time that was the same was playing in further, around 18 - 20 to about 12 at the breakpoint.  I had to get to that point, but had nothing as I started move in from my original 10 - 7.  It was washout and 2 - 10 city until I got to about 18 - 20 and then I got consistent reaction off the back of the pattern.  It was as if the track(anywhere from 12 to 16 at the arrows), was a "no-no" place to play.  I was using a 2.5, 4.5, Damage, and Ransom while practicing.  I did use my Alpha Max, but that gave me the worst reads no matter where I tried to throw it. 

 

So far, I am getting my best results from the 2.5, 4.5, and Damage.  They look like the ball to take so far.  I have a few others I am going to try next week.  We will see.  I don't go until June 20 and 21, so I have some time to play around with angles and lines before I go. 


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Re: questions on lane play in reno
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2011, 12:53:56 PM »
Chris, I've bowled on the pattern about 45-50 games now and just found out the wonders of playing the gutter, and I mean GUTTER, shot.  Playing with a pin-down OOB Original Inferno right up the twig offers a shot that stays there throughout the block.  Put two or three people out there with you and it's adult bumper bowling if you can play a shot similar to the broken down cheetah pattern as your adjustments left will not be nearly as exaggerated as if you had four to eight guys with sponges carving up the shot.

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Re: questions on lane play in reno
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2011, 01:06:41 PM »
I cant bring myself to play the twig, just not that good lol, gonna be throwing another 10-12 games tomorrow and some on thursday, later this week I am going to try and put a whole team on a pair and see what it breaks down like

 

thankful for the info guys, this helps not only me but a score of others out there.  Im trying to go in a bit more prepared then in years past, short of Billings and Vegas I've never shot good, hoping to right that ship this year
 



230-n-up-or-bust wrote on 5/9/2011 12:53 PM:Chris, I've bowled on the pattern about 45-50 games now and just found out the wonders of playing the gutter, and I mean GUTTER, shot.  Playing with a pin-down OOB Original Inferno right up the twig offers a shot that stays there throughout the block.  Put two or three people out there with you and it's adult bumper bowling if you can play a shot similar to the broken down cheetah pattern as your adjustments left will not be nearly as exaggerated as if you had four to eight guys with sponges carving up the shot.

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Re: questions on lane play in reno
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2011, 01:11:42 PM »
Chris, don't let me talk you into a shot that I couldn't effectively use, either.  I can't split boards like most of the people on this site but I've only got two gutterballs in those games of practice and I'm the "Monty Hall" (board #1, #2, or #3) of Wisconsin bowling...lol!

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Re: questions on lane play in reno
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2011, 03:05:26 PM »
You might be able to break them down at home but the variables are way different at the stadium.  At least on the right, I have not seen anyone play the twig or outside very effectively.  My teammate tried and he struck with his taboo for two shots and then after that it was split or miss the headpin.  It's a very touchy shot and likely only someone of pro caliber can play it..aka WRW or a Chris Barnes.  Mike Jasnau reported in an interview that in his lane 81 lane he saw OB at the four board after he was asked if there was a shot at the twig.


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Re: questions on lane play in reno
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2011, 01:07:40 PM »
I guess I should clarify, outside for me is up the 8 board lol, i dont venture outside the 5 very often, typically on house shots that is an over under nightmare for me so for me a 9-7 swing is considered up the boards pretty much to the best of my limited ability

 

we can tho break the lanes down just like we would at the stadium, unfortunately its tough to say whethers its an accurate protrayal of the lanes or not.  My goal is to understand what is happening and hopefully being able to anticipate that move to avoid that washout that seems to doom most everyone at some point.  us putting the shot out at home hopefully will help my team develope our plan of attack on lane play.  I am sure while we are playing on Cheetah tomorrow we will discuss how we want to try and line up our various styles to benefit each other


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Re: questions on lane play in reno
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2011, 11:26:29 PM »
Visit the 123 or BJ tournaments before you bowl if you want a tune up.  I bowled the 123 and the nationals and the 123 is not the same but if you miss outside it will still hang and leave you something ugly.  

 

It's not practice in a sense because you paid $50 and you could win $$...oh and you keep score! 

 

If this helps, in singles, I threw my natural up 9 on the left side and I stuck on a light hit.   Keep in mind that since I am on the left virutally everytime I bowl it's on the fresh.  This year was no exception.  My minors squad did not have anyone on the pairs before I bowled on them.  On the singles squad, there was a lone lefty senior rolling a pearlized ball of some sort.

 

 



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Re: questions on lane play in reno
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2011, 09:37:56 AM »
I just got back yesterday, and bowled Sunday afternoon for team and Monday morning, 2nd squad, for singles and doubles.  There is more than enough friction on the lanes this year for both events.  I had the wrong balls with me, and didn't score well.  I would suggest something with a controlled drilling that has a smoother reaction on the backend, a solid cover ball with some surface would be good.  The lane is giving everyone the skid / snap reaction due to the oil layout.  Also, the singles and doubles seemed to have a litte more friction to start even though it was the 2nd squad for the day.  I would suggest playing the track area to start and keep migrating deeper for the team event keeping the breakpoint around 7 -10.  That is just my 2 cents.



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Re: questions on lane play in reno
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2011, 07:50:06 PM »
I just returned from bowling last weeked.  We had the "luck" of getting fresh oil for singles/doubles on the 7 am squad (or is that "luck" of getting the 7 am squad???)  From the beginning, I had in my mind that I was playing outside.  Started team event up 7-8 and had what appeared to be a reasonable shot... but had absolutely no miss room (either speed, revs, or boards on the lane).  I would throw a couple nice shots that struck, then throw another seemingly very good shot and it would absolutely sail.  Played out as far as 5 and in as deep at 12-13 with a little swing.  Thinking it was me, or the equipment, or whatever, I beat myself up playing that area for 8 games.  I don't think I threw more than a double the entire time.  The last game of singles, I decided to move inside.  Played 20 at the arrows out to the dark strip on 10.  Went from zero area to 5-6 boards area (which is typically more than I have on a house shot).  Outside of two real bad tugs, I didn't miss that game.  Shot 252...  which was about 75+ better than any previous game. 

 

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Re: questions on lane play in reno
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2011, 05:00:56 AM »
Since I read your out there bowling, I would be interested in what you used and how you bowled and what you thought of the shot?
 
I have read many times that the shot was easier? I guess it would depend on the ball and who you followed for sure this year. I know it was my lowest singles in 5 Nationals.
 
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