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General Category => USBC Tournament => Topic started by: tberk35 on February 14, 2007, 08:00:49 AM
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FYI... the pattern is on the
USBC tournament website now..
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Now all somebody has to do is tell me where to play....sounds easy right!!!!
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This pattern if I recall doesn't look alot different than last year!? Anyone remember the exact information from last year?
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George Palumbo
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I gotta start saving the previous years shots to compare years....from what i can tell, its a 4:1 ratio shot with a medium amount of volume 22mL i believe my house shot is 16-18 and the sport shot we have is 26 so its at least medium for me
I wanna say the pattern was a little shorter last year BUT i am prolly wrong lol
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I believe last year was a touch shorter, maybe a foot or two at the most. The ratios look similar, and the load outside looks the same.
I would guess that out will play again.
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Here ya go Inverted....
http://www.bowl.com/tournaments/usbcopen/National/laneconditions.aspx
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Hey Tberk35...excellent post!...it will definitly give me some insight....maybe I wont shoot that 498 series i did last time in Reno...LOL!
Earl
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I gotta start saving the previous years shots to compare years....from what i can tell, its a 4:1 ratio shot with a medium amount of volume 22mL ...I wanna say the pattern was a little shorter last year BUT i am prolly wrong lol
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Medium? maybe not, if I played 4th arrow and deeper with a Visionary Blue/Green Centaur. Wasn't last year's 26 ml, per lane? I could be wrong.
This is a LIGHT oil amount. But the lanes being the Reno Bowling Stadium and a Lefty's Paradise, who knows until we see some results.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
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It looks as if this pattern seems like it will play easier than last year. They must want scores to be higher, because this doesn't seem as flat as usual for a Open pattern. The only other explanation I could imagine is that they are taking into the account the lane surface at the stadium, and taking that as a relatively bad scoring environment as it is.
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But the lanes being the Reno Bowling Stadium and a Lefty's Paradise, who knows until we see some results.
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There was supposed to be a pretty substantial renovation since the last time we were there, and I believe one of the items on the list was new lanes. So all the old notions of how the lanes played, i.e. Lefty paradise, should go out the window
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What are you gonna do? Beat me with your Jesus stick?
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Well then Dan, you must have not watched the PBA show when it was in Reno. Couch and Allen make the show, Allen wins, and almost every lefty in the field made match-play. Renovation didn't seem to work too well.
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this years pattern has more volume 23.25ml
last year was 19ml
looks like the transition wont be as fast
pattern shape looks simular with a little more across the lane
thats just what i see
mike
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Last year wasn't quite a long.. I don't remember exact, but I thought it was 36' or 37'? I would think a 40' pattern wouldn't play as far outside...
S^2
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But the lanes being the Reno Bowling Stadium and a Lefty's Paradise, who knows until we see some results.
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There was supposed to be a pretty substantial renovation since the last time we were there, and I believe one of the items on the list was new lanes. So all the old notions of how the lanes played, i.e. Lefty paradise, should go out the window
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What are you gonna do? Beat me with your Jesus stick?
As a wise friend of mine said recently, "You can take the lanes out of the stadium, but you can't take the stadium out of the lanes."
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RW (THB)
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Last years pattern was 39'
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Mike Sinek
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anyone know which oil they use? i think kegel does the lanes, but wasn't positive.
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Can someone explain to me why they have "Oil per Board: 50 mL", but "Volume Oil Total: 23.25 mL"? This is one weakness my game has when looking at graphs.
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ttt
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My dumbass 2004 Masters finish (tied for 292 with Gene Vincent):
http://www.pba.com/results/rrscores.asp?Year=&TournamentID=148&RoundID=2
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Can someone explain to me why they have "Oil per Board: 50 mL", but "Volume Oil Total: 23.25 mL"? This is one weakness my game has when looking at graphs.
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No, my name is not Prince and I'm not particularly funky.
http://www.myspace.com/lefthandedhammerpride
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?mp=418&ms=2006&s=2006-2007
My dumbass 2004 Masters finish (tied for 292 with Gene Vincent):
http://www.pba.com/results/rrscores.asp?Year=&TournamentID=148&RoundID=2
I think if not mistaken they mean two different things, the 50 ml per board is oil thickness, the 23.25 ml is total volume
if you get the us bolwer magizine there is a fantastic article in teh bronze tip section that covers oiling patterns
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Triggerman
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Lane #1 Baby
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K-Dawg the 50mL per board is micro-liters the 23.25 is milliliters.
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Can someone explain to me why they have "Oil per Board: 50 mL", but "Volume Oil Total: 23.25 mL"? This is one weakness my game has when looking at graphs.
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No, my name is not Prince and I'm not particularly funky.
http://www.myspace.com/lefthandedhammerpride
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?mp=418&ms=2006&s=2006-2007
My dumbass 2004 Masters finish (tied for 292 with Gene Vincent):
http://www.pba.com/results/rrscores.asp?Year=&TournamentID=148&RoundID=2
That part is not important.. What U really need to look at is the length and shape of the pattern and total volume..
But basically what Trig said..
The machine is set to pump oil out faster.. It's just a another way to set up a pattern to get the sought after taper with the new type of conditioners..
From the looks of it, if it's Kegel doin the lanes, breakpoint is aimed to be in the 8-10 board range..
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Unless my math (which we've seen has been off lately) is correct, then the 2 board has 4.89 milliliters and the board 15L-15R have 23.25 milliliters?
4.75:1 ratio
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My dumbass 2004 Masters finish (tied for 292 with Gene Vincent):
http://www.pba.com/results/rrscores.asp?Year=&TournamentID=148&RoundID=2
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there have been a few on pba.com that think that the pattern will play similar to last year. they are thinking that the team event will be outside again, but the D/S may hold up a little better, so you may not have to move in as quickly as last year. can't wait for some to start posting on how they played them.
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dont be fooled those with hand can hit the inside on team event and score big if it is similar to last years shot
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Triggerman
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Lane #1 Baby
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Being a lefty, I don't see my shot moving my shot moving much at all for a three game set unless I hit a mess of lefties ahead of me.
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No, my name is not Prince and I'm not particularly funky.
http://www.myspace.com/lefthandedhammerpride
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?mp=418&ms=2006&s=2006-2007
My dumbass 2004 Masters finish (tied for 292 with Gene Vincent):
http://www.pba.com/results/rrscores.asp?Year=&TournamentID=148&RoundID=2
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dont be fooled those with hand can hit the inside on team event and score big if it is similar to last years shot
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Triggerman
F.O.S Loud, F.O.S. Proud
Lane #1 Baby
Hand is not needed, as far as I am concerned. Last year I watched several people on a couple of squads before I bowled. They played around the 1st arrow as breakpoint. All of them were completely lost by the end of the 1st game.
My rev rate is only in the 250 -300 range, well below yours. I used a 2000 grit dull Visionary Blue/Green Centaur, looking for a breakpoint around 10 board at 42-44 feet, roughly. Turned out I was hitting just inside the 4th arrow, maybe 19 board. Stayed there for 9 games; by end of singles/doubles, I HAD to move my feet 3 boards deeper, keeping the same breakpoint.
Except for being such a crappy spare shooter (bringing plastic this year, instead of urethane) I would have shot 1850; missing 6 easy spares brought that to 1780 or thereabouts.
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Last year in Team I struggled playing outside, very inconsistent. I moved back in for D/S and shot a pair of low 6s, for me inside plays much nicer than out. I'll find out in April if that holds true this year.
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Dan Chambers
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I think that this years pattern will play quite a bit slicker based on the volume, it is also flatter.
For comparison purposes
http://bowling-info.com/2006USBC.pdf
http://bowling-info.com/2007USBC.pdf
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Most of the people I saw playing outside did not get their feet far enough right from the outset. Most people do not understand how to play out on flatter patterns.
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Mike Sinek
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besides nationals is always played from in... just wait for that wave to hit....
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Mike Sinek
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anyone know which oil they use? i think kegel does the lanes, but wasn't positive.
Yes, it's Kegel. I believe they signed a contract a few years ago with USBC through 2008.
The oil is Kegel Infinity -- it's listed on the lane conditions page.
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I have talked to a few people that did a test or two on the lanes. Said they should be interesting. I hear they are using a completely different oil from last year! You can play out like last year and they play just a little longer. If you choose to get in your projection through the fronts has to be really good. I hear you can throw it out the window fairly easy with this new oil! Last year for me when I got in and hooked it, I could get it back from around 5 or so. This year I hear 8 is the window basically!
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George Palumbo