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Post by: bass on May 05, 2009, 10:04:08 PM
Super nice guy.
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Post by: Mvpbowler on May 05, 2009, 11:19:10 PM
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Post by: shipper50 on May 06, 2009, 06:55:25 AM
quote:I totally agree.
Thanks for showing up in slacks and collared shirt.. At least tuck in your shirt, this is only our most prestigious tournament in ABC/USBC history.. Makes our sport look PATHETIC!!!
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Post by: dpunky on May 06, 2009, 06:59:08 AM
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Thanks for showing up in slacks and collared shirt.. At least tuck in your shirt, this is only our most prestigious tournament in ABC/USBC history.. Makes our sport look PATHETIC!!!
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Post by: Phoneman on May 06, 2009, 07:17:54 AM
Post by: leftyinsnellville on May 06, 2009, 07:31:51 AM
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This was definitely not what I was expecting from someone who shot as well as he did.
Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while. Looks like he found a bunch of them!
Post by: Dan Belcher on May 06, 2009, 07:47:24 AM
Post by: LuckyLefty on May 06, 2009, 08:04:50 AM
Having a great release is part of being a good bowler too!
This after throwing a practice 800 no thumb on a sportish condition where virtually no one else of about 40 bowlers had thrown a 200!
Since I don't have one....I want one! I believe creating area is something to shoot for!
REgards,
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PS golfers with great releases create area also!
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Post by: Dewey24 on May 06, 2009, 08:29:00 AM
Do I not like the dress code at the tournament? No I don't but people should bowl in what they feel comfortable in, within the rules. Don't bag on the man because of what you perceive as "spraying the ball you don't know how the lanes were broken down, or who played where before he got on them.
Mr. Vokes Congrats if I can come within 500 pins of your score at this years visit I will be quite happy. Rant Off
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Post by: riggs on May 06, 2009, 08:37:11 AM
Post by: moooorich on May 06, 2009, 08:39:54 AM
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Post by: DukeHarding on May 06, 2009, 08:41:17 AM
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were all jealous.....I made the trip...and had no where near the "lane" to the pins as shown in the video. We did create a hold area...but it was very narrow. Just curious...does anyone know what ball he is throwing in the video??
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Post by: Mvpbowler on May 06, 2009, 08:45:32 AM
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=235017&ForumID=79&CategoryID=5
You will see that no one bashed him here. I simply showed my displeasure with USBC over the past few years!! I am not happy with what they have made this tournament out to be. I feel that someone shooting 2300+ at this tournament is like someone going to the Masters and shooting 60. Better yet some guy off the Nationwide Tour shooting 60 at the Masters, just doesn't happen.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on May 06, 2009, 09:58:22 AM
Especially before the course was changed!
It is that way just about everywhere....super low scores can be shot!
If they ever combined Johnny Miller/Sean Ohair's long game with Tigers short game it would be 62, 64, 63, 61 nearly everyday...everywhere. And a few 59 and 57s for good measure on the good days!!
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Post by: bowlallthetime on May 06, 2009, 10:14:56 AM
There are some bowlers out there who can create a lot of area. I wish I could create that much area. Congrats to Mr. Vokes.
Post by: bowlallthetime on May 06, 2009, 10:20:44 AM
Post by: Mvpbowler on May 06, 2009, 10:24:32 AM
You are dead wrong!!! There has never been a 60 shot at the Masters because it requires a miracle to do so. They put pins in the toughest of positions, they let the roughs grow fairly high before the event. They make it one of the toughest tournaments around, why, because it one of their most prestigious events. Just like the USBC's are to us. It USE to require great shot making ability and great decision making to make good money at USBCs. Now it is a joke and a strike fest. I am pretty sure you will NEVER EVER see a 60 shot at the Masters. Why because they take pride in making that course challenging and make it so that you have to be on top of your game to get there..
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Post by: bannachb on May 06, 2009, 10:43:30 AM
The Masters in golf is for the best golfers in the world by invitation. Joe Hacker cannot go out and play the Masters. Anyone wanting to bowl in the USBC Open can if they pay the money. Comparing this tournament to the Masters is a little bit of a stretch for me. Comparing bowling's US Open to the Masters is a lot more conceivable. And we all know the US Open pattern is not the easiest thing in the world to score on. I agree that the USBC Open is the most prestigious event to the most bowlers. But it is in no way a Major tournament in terms of the Masters. IMHO Apples and Oranges.
BTW Great Bowling Ron, I hope I can just come close.
Post by: StormRoto on May 06, 2009, 12:12:50 PM
From the sounds of it the guy is great guy to be around and bowls to have fun. The guy has been bowling the tourney for 24 years. He matched up with his ball speed, rev rate and had the right ball in his hand.
He still had to execute shots.. no matter how much area he had. What is he suppose to do try to hit 1-2 boards every time. You try to bowl the best you possible can with what the lanes are giving you. This year everything was right and he had area so he took full advantage of it. There is a lot of people that may not be able to do that. You still have to knock the pins down.
Great Bowling Ron !!! enjoy the success
Post by: Mvpbowler on May 06, 2009, 12:19:31 PM
Give me a break, what world are you people living in. Big numbers just discourage others from thinking they have a chance. 95% actually it HAS to be more have never even shot 857 at their league on a house sho and what makes you think they can do it at Nationals?!!? Come on already
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Post by: bowlallthetime on May 06, 2009, 12:27:34 PM
Post by: storm making it rain on May 06, 2009, 12:36:53 PM
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Bowlers will not say "they feel they have a chance to shoot those numbers as well". I am dying to know how many people on these boards will say hey the guy shot 857 in singles. I can do that to I guess then. Oh yea by the way you know your allowed to miss about 3-4 times at most to shoot that number?!
half the bowlers that go dont go to win, we've already established this on one of the other 10 topics about this..
we all know that scoring is huge now a days, who cares..alot of things have to go right for you on any shot out there to shoot 857.
cant we just stop complaining and take it for what its worth..i dont know this guy but from what ive read he's a nice guy and a good bowler, instead of complaining about scoring ust say hey congrats period..
Post by: EagleHunter on May 06, 2009, 12:44:45 PM
Post by: bannachb on May 06, 2009, 01:22:19 PM
Post by: BowlerKidR on May 06, 2009, 01:51:08 PM
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Post by: Let It Bleed on May 06, 2009, 01:52:59 PM
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I cant find the video, anyone have a direct link?
http://www.bowl.com/tournaments/usbcopen/National/main.aspx
On the right side of the page under Video Highlights
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Post by: rvmark on May 06, 2009, 06:09:12 PM
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George...welcome to my world. Good luck trying to get through to some of these people.
The above comment sounds elitist and may be one of the reasons why you can't get through to others as it appears that you think that only you or those that agree with you are right.
Quite honestly what difference does it make whether his shirt was tucked in or not. Walter Ray Williams Jr. has had his shirt partially untucked on more than once occasion bowling on TV.
As for making the Masters harder wouldn't you like to see a run like Jack Nicklaus made to win his last Masters title in 1986? He would not have been able to make that run if they had the lengthened and tightened course that they play on today.
Rant off.
Mark
Post by: shipper50 on May 06, 2009, 06:31:22 PM
quote:Walter Ray Williams shirt comes out when he is bowling because of his style, and he would never look like this guy who in my opinion looked like he was dressed to bowl cosmic bowling and not the National tournament.quote:
George...welcome to my world. Good luck trying to get through to some of these people.
Quite honestly what difference does it make whether his shirt was tucked in or not. Walter Ray Williams Jr. has had his shirt partially untucked on more than once occasion bowling on TV.
Rant off.
Mark
Rant off.
Shipper
Post by: DP3 on May 06, 2009, 06:40:23 PM
and it continues.....
Most people will eventually grow tired of the frustration and just leave completely. When 2 million more bowlers leave, maybe then people will think "maybe we've been going about this all wrong?"
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Post by: Mvpbowler on May 06, 2009, 06:43:46 PM
I guess being a competitive bowler and traveling the world bowling I have a different idea of respect for the game and showing some class for our sport. I hate what our sport has been know as for many years. That is a "GAME" in which fat overweight people do, who drink beer, and eat their nachos at the bowling center during league. Seriously how are we ever going to make bowling a sport or break that idea everyone has against bowling??
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Post by: shipper50 on May 06, 2009, 07:21:24 PM
Shipper
Post by: mainzer on May 06, 2009, 07:24:08 PM
Pricks grow up! Or are you guys crying about because you didn't shoot as well as he did, Or because you are just as big as he is and are to afraid to admit.
Great shooting Ron you have done something I will never do! The victory is yours, and don't let what any of these fools say affect you!
just my opinion of the comments being said.
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Post by: WSUstroker on May 06, 2009, 08:02:49 PM
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I give the man all the credit in the world for bowling as well as he did, but the one thing I didn't understand was he wore a Track shirt when interviewed on camera. But in my old style of looking at dress, he looked like a bum in the video.
Shipper
How do you know he wasn't wearing jeans with that track polo? In clip of him bowling, he's wearing a polo and jeans. I'd much rather wear a polo and jeans and shoot the best AE score in the history of the tournament than wear my nice polo tucked into my slacks and shoot 1600. If the latter seems better to you, more power to you.
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Post by: rvmark on May 06, 2009, 09:30:09 PM
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Agreed Shipper, WRW JR would never come on the show with a shirt untucked. For a few reasons, 1 it is a rule that if you have a shirt that isn't a full button down you must tuck it in and 2 because he has a little more class then to do something like that.
I guess being a competitive bowler and traveling the world bowling I have a different idea of respect for the game and showing some class for our sport. I hate what our sport has been know as for many years. That is a "GAME" in which fat overweight people do, who drink beer, and eat their nachos at the bowling center during league. Seriously how are we ever going to make bowling a sport or break that idea everyone has against bowling??
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This is something that I think that you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on because I applaud the man for going out and shooting the score that he did. Whether you agree with how he is dressed is your problem. I think it would be good for you to wake up and not stereo type and categorize league bowlers as fat overweight people who drink beer and eat nachos. Showing some class would mean that you would realize that if you want bowling to grow and prosper that you need to accept all people who like to bowl. No they may not want to dress like you, that does that mean that they do not respect the game. Change is inevitable you can either be part of the change or resist the change that is up to you.
Mark
Post by: EagleHunter on May 06, 2009, 10:12:48 PM
Quite frankly many of the people on this site have no "vision" past their nose. Some of us actually think a bit further ahead than 5 minutes from now.
The stereotype referenced exists. It may not be reality, but it has lasted for decades, and in many circles that stereotype is the reason that bowling has been in decline and gets ZERO respect in relation to other sports...or non-sports, for that matter (i.e., poker). Would people flock to golf if Tiger Woods looked like Craig Stadler?
The same holds true for scoring credibility. No one wants to take anything away from Ron Voakes. He bowled fantastic and should be applauded and congratulated. With that said, 2,300 is too big of a number for someone to bowl at Nationals. That does not reflect on Mr. Voakes at all...it falls squarely on USBC.
As soon as some of you hear that 2,300 is too high, you automatically assume that some of us want to see 1,800 be the top score. How about some reality? There is about a 500-pin cushion to work with there. Based on previous discussions, I believe that a more acceptable max number would be in the 2,100 to 2,200 range.
The point isn't that 2,300 was shot...it is the possibility that 2,300 becomes more commonplace at Nationals.
Post by: shipper50 on May 07, 2009, 04:17:11 AM
quote:To the so called young men above, because someone has an opinion different than yours doesn't give you the right to call them names. I am not a stupid prick, but someone who voiced his opinion about how the man was dressed at a national tournament.quote:
I have heard it all on this site! Who gives a crap how he was dressed? How does that affect his bowling? IT DOESN'T!
Pricks grow up! Or are you guys crying about because you didn't shoot as well as he did, Or because you are just as big as he is and are to afraid to admit.
Great shooting Ron you have done something I will never do! The victory is yours, and don't let what any of these fools say affect you!
just my opinion of the comments being said.
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i agree, wtf..............some people are just plain stupid.. if anything talk about his mechanics or style, not his clothes...people will always find something to complain about nomaddah how irrelevant it is to what someone has done..
I feel if one is going to bowl a tournament of the stature, then they should dress accordingly. This thing of wearing blue jeans at the Nationals is wrong in my opinion no matter what you think.
Shipper
Post by: rvmark on May 07, 2009, 08:00:01 AM
Look at the summer series challenge they have held the past couple of years. You have the PBA stars bowling in a more relaxed setting with most of the bowlers wearing shorts, yes I realize that this was a special event but I do not think that this went to destroying the credibility of the game or sport however you choose to view it.
And I would also have to say that you must give some thought to what Mark Curran said in another thread on scoring
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?CategoryID=5&ForumID=79&TopicID=235017&PageNum=3
He made I felt several good points as to why scoring pace at nationals has continued to increase. Their must be some middle ground that every one to agree upon, but given all the points that Mark Curran made I think that the possibility will always exist that someone will come from no where and post a huge number.
Mark
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Post by: Jorge300 on May 07, 2009, 08:50:35 AM
quote:quote:To the so called young men above, because someone has an opinion different than yours doesn't give you the right to call them names. I am not a stupid prick, but someone who voiced his opinion about how the man was dressed at a national tournament.quote:
I have heard it all on this site! Who gives a crap how he was dressed? How does that affect his bowling? IT DOESN'T!
Pricks grow up! Or are you guys crying about because you didn't shoot as well as he did, Or because you are just as big as he is and are to afraid to admit.
Great shooting Ron you have done something I will never do! The victory is yours, and don't let what any of these fools say affect you!
just my opinion of the comments being said.
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i agree, wtf..............some people are just plain stupid.. if anything talk about his mechanics or style, not his clothes...people will always find something to complain about nomaddah how irrelevant it is to what someone has done..
I feel if one is going to bowl a tournament of the stature, then they should dress accordingly. This thing of wearing blue jeans at the Nationals is wrong in my opinion no matter what you think.
Shipper
Shipper, no matter what you think it isn't wrong, the rules say it is allowed. Tough Noogies!!!
To those focusing on how he was dressed, grow the F up!!! C'mon people. I don't see you complaining about the 1000 other guys dressed the same way or worse that happen to shoot 1800 or less. Why aren't you crying about them??? You are doing all you can to find fault with this man because either A) You are stone cold jealous and know you will never even come close to sniffing what he did or B) You are just plain stupid. There is no in between.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on May 07, 2009, 08:52:03 AM
The Master's in its previous setup would be getting close to having a 60 or sub 60 shot! I believe there were probably times it was being approached and the player stopped himself. On today's current course it would be tough....but didn't Anthony Kim have 11 or 10 birdies this Masters...this on a tougher course.
As to the ability to shoot 60s and below....I bet many players believe by now the tour should have over 30 or 40 sub 60s scores and the guys often stopped themselves by "Trying" and not being used to the idea of doing it!
Ron Vokes 857 is an example of a guy matching up....knowing it...and ....letting it happen...and getting out of his own way to a large extent. An incredible example of relaxation when in the moment.
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: Jorge300 on May 07, 2009, 09:09:09 AM
Mybowler, you say 60 can't be shot at the Master's becuase the roughs are too high, the greens are too sloped, and the pin positions are too tough. You are the one who is dead wrong! If you hit the ball in the fairway every time, why does it matter how tall the rough is, you aren't in it. If you hit the greens with well placed iron shots, the slopes could work to your advantage, not against you. If you putt well enough it doesn't matter where they put the pins, you can still put the ball in the hole. Why doesn't it happen, because it's the MASTER'S!! People get nervous, tense, so they pull or push tee shots into the rough. They try and shoot straight at the pins, so the slopes pull the ball away from their target. They push putts or hit them too hard/too soft because they are rattled. Mr. Vokes is a long time bowler, been here many times, he didn't let nerves of being at the USBC Open get to him and hit every fairway and every green.
EagleHunter - how many times are you going to keep up with this? This isn't the USBC's fault, and your attempt to blame them shows a true lack of understanding for our sport. I am not a USBC fan by anymeans, but I will not fabricate things that are their fault. They have enough real things they do wrong that we should be worrying about then attempting to pin something like this on them. And who are you to judge that 2300 is "too high" a score to shoot at the Open? You seem to want the winning score to be 1850 to make you happy. It is because of ignorance like yours we cannot make meaningful changes to our sport. The scores are what they are, period. If you make the shot ungodly tough as you propose, and someone comes along and shoots 1980 or 2000 what then? Do you make them even tougher because the scores are too high in your mind? Where does it stop??? When the winning AE score is 1800, 1750, 1700? There will always be people who are good enough, and lucky enough to shoot big scores, on whatever condition you put down. This was Ron Vokes' two days. The stars alinged, the seas parted, and he found a combination of ball, release, and place to play on the lane that gave him more area then others and more carry then others. If you could recreate those exact conditions and put him on them again, will he shoot another 2300? Doubtful, hell he might not even break 2200 this time, who knows. But to blame the USBC for this is utterly ridiculuous. You want to blame someone for where bowling is today, start by looking in the mirror.
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Post by: EagleHunter on May 07, 2009, 09:15:49 AM
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As soon as some of you hear that 2,300 is too high, you automatically assume that some of us want to see 1,800 be the top score. How about some reality? There is about a 500-pin cushion to work with there. Based on previous discussions, I believe that a more acceptable max number would be in the 2,100 to 2,200 range
Jorge,
I will refer you to MY above quote. Apparently you are incapable of actually reading, so please take off your biased glasses and try to read the ACTUAL words that are written, not what you THINK you see. Please point out where I suggested any such scores as you claim in your last rant.
BTW...thank you for proving my point in my previous post.
Edited on 5/7/2009 9:16 AM
Post by: Jorge300 on May 07, 2009, 09:27:12 AM
quote:quote:
As soon as some of you hear that 2,300 is too high, you automatically assume that some of us want to see 1,800 be the top score. How about some reality? There is about a 500-pin cushion to work with there. Based on previous discussions, I believe that a more acceptable max number would be in the 2,100 to 2,200 range
Jorge,
I will refer you to MY above quote. Apparently you are incapable of actually reading, so please take off your biased glasses and try to read the ACTUAL words that are written, not what you THINK you see. Please point out where I suggested any such scores as you claim in your last rant.
BTW...thank you for proving my point in my previous post.
Edited on 5/7/2009 9:16 AM
I have doen that in the past with you and you glaze over everything posted. I stand by what I said, no matter what you say in one or two sentences, the other 50 you write overshadows these words with your true intent. I have more vison then you will ever have their sir. I refuse to blindly go after the USBC for something that isn't their fault. Unlike you. Now I think I hear the bell for the short bus calling you, try not to be late.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on May 07, 2009, 10:58:36 AM
Coulda Shoulda been done when course was easier.....Can be done under current conditions but will be a day of heaven!
Much like Ron Vokes had! Tough conditions or not! People can do .....incredible things! If on and if they let themselves stay on....by not saying things like...."This is the Master's"
REgards,
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Post by: EagleHunter on May 07, 2009, 01:32:27 PM
Short bus? Wow...I mean, wow. I hope you didn't strain yourself thinking of that one. By the way...way to keep the conversation on an adult level.
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What IS ruining the game is the overabundance of super easy house shots that have created a long line of bowlers who think they are better then they really are. It is also the fact that equipment manufacterers have been allowed to produce equipment with little to no rules in place. Allowing them to create "hooks in a box" that again over inflates the scores for people. And lastly it's the ego's of these bowlers who complain to the center manager as soon as they put down a little tougher shot and they can't stand left, throw right and hit the pocket from anywhere on the right side of the lane. It is the fact that people like Robert Musthare have found ways to exploit the rules to have questionable records put into the books. These are some of the things you blame on the USBC. They have made changes, but always after the fact, too long after the fact in some cases. And people who think it's the dress code, or the fact that the shot is "too easy" at Nationals are missing the bigger picture.
Again, thank you for making my point for me. We may disagree about some of what is or is not the responsibility of USBC.
I see the current scoring pace as an issue, much like the 1989 tournament turned out to be. You don't.
I think that bowlers participating in Nationals should exhibit some respect for the long history of the tournament and the great players that came before them. Jeans and T-shirts should not be allowed, period. You disagree.
The bottom line is that USBC is UNRESPONSIVE to just about every issue that presents itself. That has to change.
Post by: Jorge300 on May 07, 2009, 02:28:45 PM
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I think that bowlers participating in Nationals should exhibit some respect for the long history of the tournament and the great players that came before them. Jeans and T-shirts should not be allowed, period. You disagree.
The bottom line is that USBC is UNRESPONSIVE to just about every issue that presents itself. That has to change.
I have never advocated wearing T-Shirts. My point was that people were making a big deal over polo shirts not tucked in. I have no problem with jeans either, as I have seen jeans that a nicer then some of the raggedy slcks some people where. I'd rather have someone look decit in jeans and polo, then some slacks that look like they are from 1953. And the other point I was making was this, yes it is about respect, and respecting the histor of the tournament. But it is not an integrity of the game issue. That a stretch that plasticman couldn't even make. The intergrity issues are there, but it isn't because people where jeans at Nationals or because I don't tuck my polo shirt into my slacks.
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Post by: JessN16 on May 07, 2009, 08:54:45 PM
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I guess being a competitive bowler and traveling the world bowling I have a different idea of respect for the game and showing some class for our sport. I hate what our sport has been know as for many years. That is a "GAME" in which fat overweight people do, who drink beer, and eat their nachos at the bowling center during league. Seriously how are we ever going to make bowling a sport or break that idea everyone has against bowling??
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This is an issue completely separate of this man's accomplishments. The answer to the last question is, probably never. Why? Because bowlers want beer and nachos and houses happily serve them. If you tell a house no more beer and nachos during league, what will happen is there will be no more sanctioned leagues. The houses won't stand for it, and neither will the bowlers.
As to the comment about fat folks and bowling, I'm going to eschew the usual fare about fat golfers, fat NFL players and the like and go straight to this: So what if people are fat? Sometime over the last 10 years, society woke up to it not being OK to be racist, sexist or homophobic, but if you're fat get the hell outta my sight.
I have to admit I get a certain joy out of seeing the Traber brothers win regionals. I know there have been complaints about their demeanor but I have a feeling part of it is people mad that they got beat by a fat guy. Big guys in other sports tend to get big cheering sections of like-bellied fans.
Why is it a problem in bowling? Because we have an inferiority complex about ourselves that just won't quit. We are our own worst critics and we beat ourselves up mercilessly over our appearance (or more correctly, our fellow bowlers' appearances), our "image," and other things we think are being said about us by other people. We bowl looking over our shoulders all the time.
We're not getting anywhere until we quit that s**t. The NFL found a way to market Fridge Perry, golf found a way to market John Daly, basketball a way to market Charles Barkley, etc. In bowling, we see this only as a negative -- not to mention that someone else's weight is really none of anyone's business but that person's and his/her cardiologist's.
As for me, I'm a big guy. Do I wish I was thinner? Sure. But it's not going to define me as a bowler, as a person, and you're not going to define me that way, either, because I'm not going to let you. I am very difficult to get truly upset, but the quickest way to get on my bad side is to decide my worth is based in or on your opinion.
Now let's stop being ashamed of who we are and what we do, and focus on the product, or on turning stereotypes around and actually gaining from them rather than wringing our hands over them. We are literally the last sport not to get this.
Jess
Post by: riggs on May 08, 2009, 09:07:47 AM
Post by: DanH78 on May 08, 2009, 11:26:53 PM
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Jorge,
Short bus? Wow...I mean, wow. I hope you didn't strain yourself thinking of that one. By the way...way to keep the conversation on an adult level.
Eagle, this is what Jorge does. When someone disagrees, he insults them. Heck, he used the same short bus insult towards me. But, it's US that has the problem, not Jorge. I'm waiting for him to call one of us a maroon.
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STORM:If You Hear The Thunder,Sorry,The Lightning's Already Struck!
Post by: SleepOnIce on May 13, 2009, 09:25:45 AM
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Post by: mainzer on May 13, 2009, 09:33:10 AM
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congratulations mr. vokes! all you haters need to back off the kool-aid for a bit. so all of you guys complaining are telling me if you had the look on the lanes that ron had you would just pack your stuff up and walk out? and by look i mean area on the lanes. i think not. dress codes, easy lane conditions, powerful balls are factors in why bowling is on the decline, but the single biggest reason for decline in bowling is lack of class and character among bowlings participants. all you have to do is read this thread for proof. every one of you guys on here bashing the man should be ashamed of yourselves. if you guys want the nationals to be ran like a professional tournament, try conducting yourselves like a professional first.
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STORM:If You Hear The Thunder,Sorry,The Lightning's Already Struck!
well said.
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Post by: Jorge300 on May 13, 2009, 11:35:12 AM
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congratulations mr. vokes! all you haters need to back off the kool-aid for a bit. so all of you guys complaining are telling me if you had the look on the lanes that ron had you would just pack your stuff up and walk out? and by look i mean area on the lanes. i think not. dress codes, easy lane conditions, powerful balls are factors in why bowling is on the decline, but the single biggest reason for decline in bowling is lack of class and character among bowlings participants. all you have to do is read this thread for proof. every one of you guys on here bashing the man should be ashamed of yourselves. if you guys want the nationals to be ran like a professional tournament, try conducting yourselves like a professional first.
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STORM:If You Hear The Thunder,Sorry,The Lightning's Already Struck!
+1
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