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Pinbuster

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Slow Play
« on: March 30, 2017, 06:24:35 AM »
Just announced at the Open Championship.

http://www.bowl.com/News/NewsDetails.aspx?id=23622328856

I guess I'm glad they have moved the evening squad times back to allow for the slow play but I'm glad we are bowling the early team squad.

Years ago the best team squad was 10:30 at night and it always ran late sometimes up to an hour. When the tournament was held in a Pacific Time zone that was like us starting bowling at 12:30 to 1:30 in morning and you wouldn't get done until our body clock said 4 or 5 am. You would be like a zombie when you got done.

I wonder what is making squads even slower than in the past? Is there something about the SouthPoint center?

I know the last couple of years we have had to wait at times for our squads to get started.


 

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Re: Slow Play
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2017, 06:23:25 PM »
It isn't that hard.  Pay a little attention to your surroundings and time it so you aren't walking at the same time as somebody 2 lanes over.  Like 1 1/2 lane courtesy that doesn't slow the pace. 

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Re: Slow Play
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2017, 06:41:45 PM »
It isn't that hard.  Pay a little attention to your surroundings and time it so you aren't walking at the same time as somebody 2 lanes over.  Like 1 1/2 lane courtesy that doesn't slow the pace.

that is kinda what I'm doing, though I'm waiting for the person 2 lanes over to start before I take my first step. But I need to do more to tune the 2 laners out, as I'll already have the 1-laners taken care of by nature of just being on the approach.

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Re: Slow Play
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2017, 07:51:43 PM »
Lemme first start out by saying that I bowled the "8:30 pm shifts" on 3/22 and 3/23, and it was frustrating...especially on the singles/doubles shift that didn't start til 10pm.

I'll be the first to admit, that my group is far from pros. With that said though, I'm not sure what all attributed to the horrendous wait times. I know day 1, 8 of the screens to the right of us literally did the Windows Blue Screen of Death (which by the way, was hilarious since I wasn't bowling on those lanes). Other than that, my pair had 1 OOR and that was all that I noticed for delays. I can say that on day 2 the squad before us had like 26 teams all from the same place, so maybe they were kinda waiting on each other maybe? All I know, is that sitting in the weigh-in room for what seemed like an eternity sucked.


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Re: Slow Play
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2017, 08:09:22 PM »
We bowl team at 5pm Friday 3/31 and sing/dbls at 9am Saturday 4/01.  I will keep track of our start and finish time compared to the rest on the squad out of curiosity.

I like two lanes courtesy to my right, and one lane to my left.  I only look right not to start at the same time as that bowler. Do it during league and tournaments. Usually means waiting an extra second to step on the approach, or getting up there and going before them.  I don't expect it, or say anything of it. I just watch for that window and go.
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Re: Slow Play
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2017, 11:01:24 PM »
+1 Luke

My friends followed a squad with a PBA member, who will remain nameless for this discussion.  He wanted not 1, not 2, but 3 lanes!   This meant his whole team wanted 3 lanes, and the squad took forever

I'm sorry.  When they announce time after time that 1 lane courtesy is what is expected, and that's not acceptable to you, then don't bowl the tournament.

I know that sometimes 2 lane courtesy can move quite fast, except when no one is used to doing it then everyone stands around, ball in hand, looking left and right waiting for everyone to acknowledge, etc. 

P.S.  That certain pro bowler shot about 580, which is not to knock him (he has more talent in his off hand than I do with my right), but probably a testament to the difficulty of the condition.  I struggle every year because I seem to love leaving splits, but I'm not worried about it.  I can plan my next shot, good or bad, while on the bench, so when it's my turn I'm ready to bowl.  I also don't have "PBA expectations".  I don't throw the ball perfectly on house shots...



pete weber?

I can't say for sure who he's talking about, but you're correct either way. My team event followed his D/S shift. We were told to be in the squad room at 4:30 to prep for our shift at 5. At that point, Pete was just about to start singles.


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Re: Slow Play
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2017, 08:05:42 AM »
Congratulations on being part of the problem and trying to justify it.
You can call it justification if you want to.  I like to think of it as respect for a fellow competitor. 
Two years ago I was on the squad after the regular team eagle winner.  We started pretty late and really didn't have a problem with it since we got to watch history.  Imagine the scene if someone walks up to Rob Gotchall in the 10th when he has to double to take the lead and say "hey pal, your squad is behind.  Hurry up and bowl". 
I've also been on the same squad as a regular singles eagle winner and on the same pair as someone that shot 800.  If you have any respect for those accomplishments at all you would understand how much of a once in a lifetime achievement they are.  If a guy needs a little bit of time when he has the front 10 I'm going to give it to him. 
If that makes me part of the problem so be it.  I can appreciate how hard it is on a stage like that to put up a decent score.  If someone on my pair or a surrounding pair has that opportunity I'm not going to get in the way of that.  You can disagree all day long but I will guarantee you that our group isn't part of the problem on any squad we have bowled on.  We finish pretty close to on time.  Yes, we get the dreaded message on the score monitor to pick it up from time to time but we are NEVER the last group out of the door. 

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Re: Slow Play
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2017, 11:46:23 AM »
Just got back from Nationals.  There were very few breakdowns that caused big delays that I saw.  Mostly, egos caused the delays.   
 
We saw Pete Weber bowl the last game and a half of singles.  When we arrived, they were the only ones bowling but there was a crowd behind the pair so we were curious.  Obviously, Pete will draw attention.  Even with no one else bowling, they were still slow.  Mostly 1 person up at a time and the next person waited until the bowler in front was well off the approach.  I got bored even though there was some really good bowlers in the group.  This group got singled out by me as they were so far behind the rest of the squad and that everyone knows the PDW brand.  I don't remember even seeing any other bowlers putting stuff away when they still had game and a half to go. 

I didn't see the incident, but got an earful from some stranger that did.  Apparently Pete didn't want to walk out with the common folks and flipped off the worker that was trying to get things moving.  This stranger that gave my wife an earful sounded like she totally regretted seeing one of her heroes.  May have totally been taken out of context, but it sure made an impact....in a bad way on this stranger.  Again, this was stranger telling story, so can't verify accuracy.  Only heartache in stranger.

I'm not the quickest person as I had a few too many times where I had to back off the approach as inner demons caused doubt as to what I was doing.  I make up for those shots by greeting the bowler in front of me at the back of the approach.

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Re: Slow Play
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2017, 04:33:27 PM »
I had another bowler tell me today he thought some of the slow down maybe because of the use of switch grips.

Instead of just being able to grab a spare ball, you have to wait for your strike ball to return so you can switch the thumb grip out to the spare ball.

I'm not sure how much this is a problem but it could add a little to the slow down.

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Re: Slow Play
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2017, 05:25:59 PM »
Maybe I was just lucky. I bowled last week, and both my squads were almost on time. There were about 15 minute delays for both, but nothing unusual. I've experienced far worse delays in past Nationals.
 
I believe whatever time delays that occurred are mostly due to the tougher conditions. There are lots of individual scores in the 300-450 range for three game totals. It's brutal to watch, brutal to experience, and it chews up time. I saw no evidence of slowness due to switch grip transfers, bowlers not getting up to the line in a timely fashion, or any of the other reasons speculated in this thread. I was only there for my sliver of time, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it.  :)

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Re: Slow Play
« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2017, 05:49:22 PM »
I have been going out for 3 years.  We watch a lot of people bowl, and every year the upper level teams are the last ones bowling on the squad, running 10-20 minutes or more  behind.  If you ever watched the live streams in years past they were always the only pair left going around the camera.  I think most of it has to do with people wanting 2 lane courtesy.  Until everyone's regular leagues/tournaments start using 1 lane courtesy it will remain an issue.

In regards to Pete Weber: I bowled on a squad with Pete Weber last year, he sat in the squad room like everyone else, and came out with everyone else.    I wasn't there this year, but the stories someone was speculating on seem a little odd, lots of people don't like him and they will blow anything up.  All I can say is he bowled last year like a normal bowler and even signed some autographs etc. 

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Re: Slow Play
« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2017, 01:13:49 AM »
4/31 on the 5pm squad for team we walked out onto the lanes at 5:48pm.  We were one of the last teams done at around 8:50pm. One of our lanes broke down for 10mins during game two putting us behind.
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