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some final thoughts on Vegas
« on: July 04, 2017, 05:26:25 PM »
I went to my 28th national tourney last week.  I watched posts on these boards and listened to horror stories for 3 months prior to bowling. 

On the pattern.  While I think it was ridiculous not to release the patterns, and told officials as much, I think we will find they were not much different in length than prior years.  Team was not near as short as people said.  I would guess about 38 feet.  D&S was about 42 feet.   I made the mistake of believing team I could play outside 5  and stayed their too long as it teased me.  D&S was one of the nicest patterns I have seen. 

I talked to a couple of other top players and they agreed that the pattern was not much different than many prior years.  Why the big secrecy puzzles me.  For those who like golf comparisons, it was like not telling the players how long the par 3s are so as not to give anyone an "unfair advantage"
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Re: some final thoughts on Vegas
« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2017, 11:44:40 AM »
They're not practicing on the tournament shot
They are practicing on a variation of it in the bowling center...different surface and different amount of reaction
It's really not comparable 
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Re: some final thoughts on Vegas
« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2017, 12:43:17 PM »
They're not practicing on the tournament shot
They are practicing on a variation of it in the bowling center...different surface and different amount of reaction
It's really not comparable 
If it's not comparable then why are they making reservations to pay $100 for some practice?? Maybe they just like lighting money on fire ... or maybe it helps them to perform better in the tournament. Almost like it's advantageous.

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Re: some final thoughts on Vegas
« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2017, 12:56:45 PM »
There's no "unfair advantage" with guys having access to the shot to practice in their home center with completely different topography than where the USBC tournament is going to be held.

The Adam Barta, Matt McNeil, and Brandon Novak's of the world are going to steamroll everyone no matter what they bowl on.

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Re: some final thoughts on Vegas
« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2017, 12:57:04 PM »
Hmmm different surface different lane machines different oiling times and different wear factors...what could possibly be different
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Re: some final thoughts on Vegas
« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2017, 01:07:37 PM »
They're not practicing on the tournament shot
They are practicing on a variation of it in the bowling center...different surface and different amount of reaction
It's really not comparable 
If it's not comparable then why are they making reservations to pay $100 for some practice?? Maybe they just like lighting money on fire ... or maybe it helps them to perform better in the tournament. Almost like it's advantageous.

You know what their advantage is? Hard work. Work ethic. Desire. Intelligence. Teamwork. Sacrifice. Talent.
What advantage would you claim for yourself?
You expect that if you show up with your team and get paired with Adam Barta's team that you are on equal footing if he didn't get to practice on a sport pattern?
Unless you are PBA Tour tier talented and need that info to carve out the last 5 sticks to beat them, you are dreaming that you are even in the same league.

Be honest, have you ever shown up at the ABC/USBC Open in the last 10 years with serious expectations of claiming an Eagle? Because we do. And to date, our best finish is a top 20 team 2 years ago, and let me tell you, the guys that are top 5 are a whole 'nother level of bowlers. You got nothing, and you don't want to admit it.

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Re: some final thoughts on Vegas
« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2017, 01:35:53 PM »
Practice at home and at the tournament site are two different things, but ask ANYONE who has done that and/or have bowled the Bowler's Journal tournament and they'll all tell you the tournament lanes played different, and this is with the same oil, same machines, same location, and same lanes.  The BJ is supposed to be the D/S shot every year, but every single year it always plays wetter for me than the tournament lanes, and if I base my strategy for the tournament on the BJ, I screw myself every time.  Perceived value and actual value are two different things.  People have been told there's value in it, so they believe it rather than actually judging that for themselves. 

They're not practicing on the tournament shot
They are practicing on a variation of it in the bowling center...different surface and different amount of reaction
It's really not comparable 
If it's not comparable then why are they making reservations to pay $100 for some practice?? Maybe they just like lighting money on fire ... or maybe it helps them to perform better in the tournament. Almost like it's advantageous.
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Re: some final thoughts on Vegas
« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2017, 01:58:31 PM »
I bowl in the same league as Barta on Thursday nights during Fall/Winter leagues.

As someone above said, he is going to steamroll you if he played on the pattern or not prior to getting to Vegas or wherever the Championships are held that year.

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Re: some final thoughts on Vegas
« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2017, 02:02:56 PM »
It's all good, we all knew this was coming.  Now, I will predict the the inevitable double-down.  Wait for it......   ;)   ;D

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« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2017, 02:04:06 PM »
Yeah dammit.  I tried to resist and got sucked in.  Knew it . .

It's all good, we all knew this was coming.  Now, I will predict the the inevitable double-down.  Wait for it......   ;)   ;D

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Re: some final thoughts on Vegas
« Reply #40 on: July 06, 2017, 03:54:03 PM »
The South Point bowling center house shot is one of the highest scoring houses in Vegas with the most friction outside. Makes sense why urethane was playable out for some guys. That built in burn isn't there in the arena. Guys trying to do the same in both centers got a rough lesson in topography.

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Re: some final thoughts on Vegas
« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2017, 04:11:33 PM »
I don't think logic is appropriate on this site
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Re: some final thoughts on Vegas
« Reply #42 on: July 06, 2017, 06:24:20 PM »
The South Point bowling center house shot is one of the highest scoring houses in Vegas with the most friction outside. Makes sense why urethane was playable out for some guys. That built in burn isn't there in the arena. Guys trying to do the same in both centers got a rough lesson in topography.

Ask Brad Miller and Mike Remakulas. They both destroyed South Point BJ with urethane outside 5. In the arena? No sir.
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Re: some final thoughts on Vegas
« Reply #43 on: July 06, 2017, 06:54:31 PM »
The South Point bowling center house shot is one of the highest scoring houses in Vegas with the most friction outside. Makes sense why urethane was playable out for some guys. That built in burn isn't there in the arena. Guys trying to do the same in both centers got a rough lesson in topography.

Ask Brad Miller and Mike Remakulas. They both destroyed South Point BJ with urethane outside 5. In the arena? No sir.

There was plenty of hook on a 48' pattern at South Point, there's a lot of friction

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Re: some final thoughts on Vegas
« Reply #44 on: July 06, 2017, 07:55:15 PM »
Many bowlers that have bowled on house shots all of their life will never compete against the teams that have bowled on everything. As for the people paying the money to bowl on something that resembles the national patterns...forget it. Spend the money at your house practicing on sport patterns provided they have the ability to do that jmho.

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Re: some final thoughts on Vegas
« Reply #45 on: July 06, 2017, 09:32:32 PM »
For me the practice condition at South point was fairly close to the team condition I bowled on an hour later. A little more friction then in the arena but good practice.

The bji was also very playable for me, but still tough till the last game when I found a ball and line that was comfortable for me……….. Fast-forward to the arena and singles/doubles and it wasn't remotely close. It felt as though they dumped a bucket of oil every where and friction was a small illusion off in the distance.

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