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Nor Cal Bowler

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Overall Tournament Cost...
« on: July 08, 2010, 03:11:36 AM »
Last night I was looking at the prize list breakdown they had at the checkout counter and the tourney fees to run the tournament is ridiculous! Every event they take 44% out of entry fee for tourney fees. Then all events they take alittle more then 6%. For a total of all money recieved they put about 41% into the prize fund.

I'm curious how much USBC was paying per line for the tourney. Also I understand you have to pay workers etc. What I don't get is the paperwork you have to deal with! I brought 4 teams to the tourney last weekend. I believe I recieved 3 or 4 copies PER TEAM of paperwork for the team event and for single/double. Calculate the costs of paper, printing, people putting the stuff together, and postage that's a ton of waste! I understand the dollars involved to run this tourney but atleast what I saw the paperwork was ridiculous. Did anyone else notice this?

Also I'm sure USBC got a cut from silver legacy, circus circus and the el dorado. Plus factor in what they charged for booths and I'm sure they got a cut of liquor sales, food and other beverages. I'm sure it wasn't a bad deal for them...

 

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Re: Overall Tournament Cost...
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2010, 11:14:56 AM »
USBC doesn't care about YOU, it cares about its checking account.
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Re: Overall Tournament Cost...
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2010, 11:30:44 AM »
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Ignore User        Posted: 7/8/2010 11:11 AM   Reply with quote  Last night I was looking at the prize list breakdown they had at the checkout counter and the tourney fees to run the tournament is ridiculous! Every event they take 44% out of entry fee for tourney fees. Then all events they take alittle more then 6%. For a total of all money recieved they put about 41% into the prize fund.


thats a pretty standard percentage if you think about it.  let assume the following:

entry fee - $20
lineage - $9
expense fee for paper, postage, etc - $2
prize fund - $9

with that scenario, which is pretty common in my experience the prize fund is just under 50%.  of course they probably got a cut from all the things you mentioned, but doesnt every tournament you bowl in? they center gets food sales, beverage sales, etc?

i think your fishing a little here

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Re: Overall Tournament Cost...
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2010, 12:05:43 PM »
I tend to agree with bowler25, think this isn't much of an issue. Plus you have to remember, people expenses will be larger for something like this. These folks have to live away from their homes for 5-6 months, the living expenses alone must be huge, plus salaries, bonuses, etc.

But I do agree with Nor Cal Bowler in regard, the paperwork aspect. It is 2010, why isn't more of this on the web? You should be able to sign-up, pay, make changes, get scores, etc all online. Yet there is virtually nothing available online. That has to change and soon, and we could see a reduced operating cost to offset the reduced entries we are seeing and help keep the tournament going.

(Note: When I say scores online, I don't just mean the totals as there today. I mean the frame by frame printouts you get at the end of every squad. Some bowlers want them, like me, other could care less, some it depends on how they bowled. The server storage costs to keep those online has to be less then the paper costs of the printouts. And if you only keep them available for say 30 days, you can delete some and use less overall space.)
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Re: Overall Tournament Cost...
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2010, 12:20:11 PM »
Sorry let me back peddal alittle bit. My biggest complaint is the paperwork aspect. I understand all the other costs and people got onsite awards etc, but like I said, paperwork is an cost that needs to be fixed. I had 3 different mailings concerning people who were bowling cause their averaged fell into the clasified division. They wanted me to PRINT AVERAGE VERIFICATION FROM BOWL.COM and mail it back to them. Why? It's on their site. I we are in a new age where we should have been able to do this electronically.

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Re: Overall Tournament Cost...
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2010, 01:28:41 PM »
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But I do agree with Nor Cal Bowler in regard, the paperwork aspect. It is 2010, why isn't more of this on the web? You should be able to sign-up, pay, make changes, get scores, etc all online. Yet there is virtually nothing available online. That has to change and soon, and we could see a reduced operating cost to offset the reduced entries we are seeing and help keep the tournament going


now this im totally on point with, being a team captain myself, why do you need to verify your averages 18 times for this tournament.  i agree with both of you that online things should be done (even though their website is slow as you know what) or at least have to option to not receive paper mail and go online (for those if any that dont use the internet)

me personally i like the overall score sheet you receive at the end, but also look at the coupon books they were handing out in the squad room.  half of them were left on the seats when everyone left. there's obviously some cost cuttting measures they could take, but IMO for the most part this is a well run tournament.

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Re: Overall Tournament Cost...
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2010, 01:33:26 PM »
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I tend to agree with bowler25, think this isn't much of an issue. Plus you have to remember, people expenses will be larger for something like this. These folks have to live away from their homes for 5-6 months, the living expenses alone must be huge, plus salaries, bonuses, etc.

But I do agree with Nor Cal Bowler in regard, the paperwork aspect. It is 2010, why isn't more of this on the web? You should be able to sign-up, pay, make changes, get scores, etc all online. Yet there is virtually nothing available online. That has to change and soon, and we could see a reduced operating cost to offset the reduced entries we are seeing and help keep the tournament going.

(Note: When I say scores online, I don't just mean the totals as there today. I mean the frame by frame printouts you get at the end of every squad. Some bowlers want them, like me, other could care less, some it depends on how they bowled. The server storage costs to keep those online has to be less then the paper costs of the printouts. And if you only keep them available for say 30 days, you can delete some and use less overall space.)
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Yea, they could do some of the stuff online, but you would never be able to find it on Bowl.com

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Re: Overall Tournament Cost...
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2010, 01:36:03 PM »
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Yea, they could do some of the stuff online, but you would never be able to find it on Bowl.com


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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2010, 04:09:30 PM »
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I tend to agree with bowler25, think this isn't much of an issue. Plus you have to remember, people expenses will be larger for something like this. These folks have to live away from their homes for 5-6 months, the living expenses alone must be huge, plus salaries, bonuses, etc.

But I do agree with Nor Cal Bowler in regard, the paperwork aspect. It is 2010, why isn't more of this on the web? You should be able to sign-up, pay, make changes, get scores, etc all online. Yet there is virtually nothing available online. That has to change and soon, and we could see a reduced operating cost to offset the reduced entries we are seeing and help keep the tournament going.

(Note: When I say scores online, I don't just mean the totals as there today. I mean the frame by frame printouts you get at the end of every squad. Some bowlers want them, like me, other could care less, some it depends on how they bowled. The server storage costs to keep those online has to be less then the paper costs of the printouts. And if you only keep them available for say 30 days, you can delete some and use less overall space.)
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Yea, they could do some of the stuff online, but you would never be able to find it on Bowl.com

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Well at least now you can pay online. Maybe next century they will be able to do changes on there too.
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Re: Overall Tournament Cost...
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2010, 02:46:09 AM »
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They wanted me to PRINT AVERAGE VERIFICATION FROM BOWL.COM and mail it back to them. Why? It's on their site. I we are in a new age where we should have been able to do this electronically.


Give you a real world example. This year we show up to check in. Had to rearange some bowlers because of some not making the trip and all. Well one of the replacement bowlers had 2 differant spellings of her name plus 2 differant citys of residence. On thier own they could not know which to use or even if they were the same bowler or 2 differant people. A lot easier to have the caps get the correct person to start with.
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Re: Overall Tournament Cost...
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2010, 07:32:33 AM »
USBC has been way behind the times in this area, but things are moving online. Online entries finally started for 2011 and plans are to migrate pretty much everything -- such as changes -- online over time.
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