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It's Reno for both USBC tourneys in 2013 & 2014
« on: July 13, 2010, 03:49:14 AM »
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Re: It's Reno for both USBC tourneys in 2013 & 2014
« Reply #91 on: July 16, 2010, 06:29:42 PM »
MC,

There is a number 4 you can add to your list:
 
4.  Being ready to pay USBC $1,000,000 plus and no rent for the arena.

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Re: It's Reno for both USBC tourneys in 2013 & 2014
« Reply #92 on: July 16, 2010, 06:33:33 PM »
Riggs,

Do really think that competitive integrity is very high on USBC's list of priorities in any area of bowling not just the Open?  Seems to me, if it were they would be trying harder to do something about the scoring integrity.

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Re: It's Reno for both USBC tourneys in 2013 & 2014
« Reply #93 on: July 17, 2010, 07:03:33 AM »
Bill, I don't quite get your question.  USBC is doing all kinds of programs in this area -- trying to separate recreational bowling from Sport bowling.  The Sport program, color lane patterns, PBA X leagues, tournaments at all levels.

What are you looking for?
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Re: It's Reno for both USBC tourneys in 2013 & 2014
« Reply #94 on: July 17, 2010, 07:46:35 AM »
Not particular happy with traveling to Reno. We need a centralized location every other yr. Traveling always east to west coast is tiresome. But would likely go because I love the tournament. Don't know if I can generated interest from the guys I bowl with to return to Reno 4 out 5 years. Hope to, but will be hard. I had 6 teams last year, only 4 this year and 2011 only looks like 2 teams. my02...9
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Re: It's Reno for both USBC tourneys in 2013 & 2014
« Reply #95 on: July 17, 2010, 11:03:47 AM »
Riggs,

What I am looking for is for them to finally acknowledge, as even Roger Dalkin has, that the 3 unit was a horrible mistake that basically legalized lane blocking for any laneman worth his salt.  Most of the things you mention are simply ways to try to deal with the original mistake without admitting it was a mistake.  

Bowlers can say what they want about balls altering the game, and I acknowledge that they have, but the laneman is still the most determining factor in scoring.  Until they revisit lane dressing rules they will likely never return integrity to scoring across the board.

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Re: It's Reno for both USBC tourneys in 2013 & 2014
« Reply #96 on: July 17, 2010, 12:43:00 PM »
I don't think there is anyone with any knowledge at USBC that won't admit the 3-unit rule made for ridiculously easy legal scoring conditions.  That's old news ... horse out of the barn ... whatever you prefer.

BPAA forced their hand on that stuff and point is they have made moves to separate recreational bowling from the sport of bowling.

I totally agree the lane man is king.

But there is no chance you will ever have a day again where all levels of bowling are as challenging as they were back in the days of gutter-to-gutter dressing rules.

And who cares? What's important is that the Sport level of bowling is cared for -- recreational is what it is.
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Re: It's Reno for both USBC tourneys in 2013 & 2014
« Reply #97 on: July 17, 2010, 09:08:24 PM »
Answering some random questions through this thread:

1) Mobile, Alabama's convention center has a total of 317,000 square feet of total space available, with more than 100,000 of it in the main exhibit hall area. Translation: They can easily host this tournament again if need be, and the city of Mobile's downtown area is actually better now than it was when the tournament was there the last time.

2) Amtrak travel to Reno -- if you're more than a day away from Reno, don't even think about it. My wife and I were trying to get to Reno this year and were comparing rates on the train vs. flying or driving. We'd be driving from central Alabama, which would be literally a three- or four-day drive by car. To get the both of us plus luggage and 11 bowling balls out here via airplane would have been somewhere around $2000. When we priced via Amtrak, we found that we could get here for just a few hundred bucks each -- but with a catch. We'd have to take regular seats the whole trip out, which is a three-day trip with connections either in New Orleans or Chicago. To get a sleeper room with private toilet/shower, those costs jumped up to $2400 for the round trip, but that's the only way the trip would be tolerable.

Now, the following constitutes my own opinions on this decision:

1) I've never bowled in the stadium before, but I want to at least once, and that will probably be it. I won't make another trip west due to cost, specifically the cost of getting my stuff out there and back.

2) I don't get the deal with having to make it eight months long and/or the 100,000 square-foot rule. As to the former, compress it, add more squads or more lanes or whatever you have to do, and then you get a larger choice of buildings. As to the latter, if you're going to run a tournament for eight months in Billings or Mobile or upstate Maine or wherever, you don't need 100k of floor space, because entries will be down.

3) I don't know what the hold-up is in Orlando, but someone needs to step up and get it done. I've heard it's not about the economy, but rather over who would hold control of the facility during non-bowling periods. All I know is that family activities is starting to be a bigger concern with each passing year and Reno isn't going to cut it.

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Re: It's Reno for both USBC tourneys in 2013 & 2014
« Reply #98 on: July 19, 2010, 08:40:05 AM »
Jess,
    Since I think some of your post was directed at mine let me answer you.

 Yes, the Mobile convention center has a total of 317,000 sq. feet, but if you look at their website, you will see that the largest single area is only 50,000 sq.. feet. There are 2 50,000 sq.. foot ballrooms, that have a solid wall between them, plus meeting space and other rentable spaces for the 317,000 sq.. foot total.

Have you looked into BBE or other methods of shipping? Using FedEx, I shipped 6 balls and a 4 ball bag for about $100 each way.

As far as the tournament running 7-8 months, some of that time is construction and deconstruction time needed. If at a convention center, the lanes aren't there and have to be built, tested, etc prior to the USBC Masters or start of the tournament. Then they have to be torn down afterwards, boxed and shipped back. And you can't add any more squads. As it stands now, the last D/S squad starts at 11:30 pm and ends about 2:00 am. The first D/S squad in the morning starts at 7:00 am. That 5 hours is used for routine maintenance, cleaning, etc of the lane machines and oil machines. Second, you say add more lanes, but then you are going to have to look for even bigger centers, over 100,000 sq. feet. Which would hinder the ability to go anywhere other then Reno, which has 80 lanes. Doesn't that defeat your purpose?

As far as Orlando, everything I have heard was the hold-up was due to the credit crisis and the economy. If you have credible sources that this isn't true, would love to hear about it. I don't see how control would be the issue, since it was to be built and owned outside of the USBC, and they would not control it anyway. If that truly is the case, then it isn't a USBC issue, nor it's problem. I wouldn't hold your breath for the Orlando center, I had my doubts from day 1. A 100 lane center on Disney properties.....no true "tourist" would go there, as there is more then enough to do with the attractions already there, you will only get a few tournaments a year there, and even if you allow leagues or open play (which would kinda defeat the purpose of the center IMHO) you still will be hard pressed to make a profit on something that big when you throw in all the cost (Utilities especially).
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