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Two LaCrosse, WI teams put on a TEAM display on Monday night.  Congrats to all 10 of them.
 


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Re: Two LaX Wisconsin teams vault into the USBC Open Championships lead.
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2012, 09:43:56 AM »
Riggs,
 
I think it could be educational to learn
- which balls they used (possibly the drilling and surface) and
- their rev rate and ball speed.
 
Any chance?
 
We already know their skill level is very high as is their degree of cooperation with one another (that requires some sacrifice of ego for the sake of team success). Both are probably far beyond many but not all of us here.
 


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Re: Two LaX Wisconsin teams vault into the USBC Open Championships lead.
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2012, 10:41:53 AM »

Minors results:


The 11th Frame: Heilman moves into second in all-events with 2,121 at Open Championships


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Re: Two LaX Wisconsin teams vault into the USBC Open Championships lead.
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2012, 10:44:09 AM »
If you read my blog of yesterday, they don't want ball information or details on how they attacked the lanes published for obvious reasons.  Their rev rates and speed vary, but none of them are super power players. Pizl is very straight. Heilman and Mills would be considered tweeners.


 



charlest wrote on 3/7/2012 8:43 AM:
Riggs,

 

I think it could be educational to learn

- which balls they used (possibly the drilling and surface) and

- their rev rate and ball speed.

 

Any chance?

 

We already know their skill level is very high as is their degree of cooperation with one another (that requires some sacrifice of ego for the sake of team success). Both are probably far beyond many but not all of us here.

 



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Re: Two LaX Wisconsin teams vault into the USBC Open Championships lead.
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2012, 10:52:50 AM »
About the only hint they (Heilman) gave as to where/what they played is that they, "finished team @ 13 and started minors at 24."  This matches exactly with my contention as an "arsenal contest" for those who want to migrate or a "replication display" which is what Nicholas J's team employed to ensure minimal changes to the pattern.  For 10 people to marry to a single idea and stay that close together, replicate shots, and produce spectacular results like this is amazing!

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Re: Two LaX Wisconsin teams vault into the USBC Open Championships lead.
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2012, 11:20:36 AM »
Let me again add my Congrats to these teams for some great bowling.

 

But I feel they were shortchanged a little in their minor events. While the lanes may not have been that bad, having to bowl after a team and minor squad seems unfair. I would speculate that if they had bowled at 11:30PM after a single team squad that Mr. Heilman may be leading all events, and the team would be leading Team All-Events. Another example of how the changes in 2013 are needed. Irregardless, great great shooting.

 

Just wish we had a witness to their team squad so we could get an idea of how far outside they were playing (just me being selfish as even with this info I doubt our team will sniff 3400, or even 3200, we'd be happy at 3000 lol).


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Re: Two LaX Wisconsin teams vault into the USBC Open Championships lead.
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2012, 12:01:39 PM »
Any player with serious intentions of contending for an Eagle will go to similar lengths to make sure they are competitive when the lights turn on in Baton Rouge.  This team prepared, strategized and got 10 guys to buy into a plan and STICK TO IT, which is a whole different issue.  I'm thoroughly impressed.

 

If you don't, you're basically hoping to hit the lotto when you bowl.  The odds are against you. 

 

We start practicing this Sunday for our trip at the end of April.  So we'll get 6 solid weeks on the pattern playing with surface, ball choice and attacks.  But we still have to execute our shots and STICK TO THE PLAN.  I'm glad there is a bigger score to shoot at before we go.  Will make us more committed. 

 

If I were them, I wouldn't reveal any info either.  You've still got March, April, May, and June to go and bunches of really good players coming through.  Would be foolish to give anyone that info. 


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Re: Two LaX Wisconsin teams vault into the USBC Open Championships lead.
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2012, 12:16:44 PM »
Lets use common sense here.  In team event they ENDED at 13.  So chances are, they did not use high end super soakers for that entire set.  No way they could.  My guess, is that they burned up the area around the 5 board during shadow bowling and then went to something a little weaker that would not soak oil near as fast and stayed playing up 8-9-10; then migrated left as soon as the first guy left anything that hit high on the headpin. 
 



230-n-up-or-bust wrote on 3/7/2012 9:52 AM:About the only hint they (Heilman) gave as to where/what they played is that they, "finished team @ 13 and started minors at 24."  This matches exactly with my contention as an "arsenal contest" for those who want to migrate or a "replication display" which is what Nicholas J's team employed to ensure minimal changes to the pattern.  For 10 people to marry to a single idea and stay that close together, replicate shots, and produce spectacular results like this is amazing!

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Re: Two LaX Wisconsin teams vault into the USBC Open Championships lead.
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2012, 12:29:57 PM »
2HAND, it's a 39' pattern, I completely realize you don't have to use a super soaker to get the ball to move on a pattern with seven yards of backends.  That's why I envision using my strongest pieces to make the trip to Baton Rouge in minors when wrecking the pattern has already taken place.

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Re: Two LaX Wisconsin teams vault into the USBC Open Championships lead.
« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2012, 01:33:12 PM »
"seven yards of backend".............now that's funny stuff right there.


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Re: Two LaX Wisconsin teams vault into the USBC Open Championships lead.
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2012, 03:15:14 PM »
Shout out to my good friends Greg Pizl Jr. and Rob Warren! Great bowling everyone! Very proud to say I know these guys, known them since they were kids in youth league. Way to represent "The Power of Cheese~"


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Re: Two LaX Wisconsin teams vault into the USBC Open Championships lead.
« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2012, 05:40:43 PM »
Excellent post!

 

Sometimes the hardest thing is to stick to a game plan when you are struggling. It requires discipline and also honesty about whether the plan is wrong or you are simply not making shots or have not made the lanes favorable enough yet.

 

In 2010, we started with 967 if I recall correctly and were about even in game 2 halfway through but we stayed with our plan because we believed in it and felt we had not been performing well.  Then all of a sudden the lane seemed to open for us and we relaxed and went on an amazing strike binge that got us 1170-1161 for 3,298 and a short-lived lead.

 

 



Andyman3333 wrote on 3/7/2012 11:01 AM:
Any player with serious intentions of contending for an Eagle will go to similar lengths to make sure they are competitive when the lights turn on in Baton Rouge.  This team prepared, strategized and got 10 guys to buy into a plan and STICK TO IT, which is a whole different issue.  I'm thoroughly impressed.


 


If you don't, you're basically hoping to hit the lotto when you bowl.  The odds are against you. 


 


We start practicing this Sunday for our trip at the end of April.  So we'll get 6 solid weeks on the pattern playing with surface, ball choice and attacks.  But we still have to execute our shots and STICK TO THE PLAN.  I'm glad there is a bigger score to shoot at before we go.  Will make us more committed. 


 


If I were them, I wouldn't reveal any info either.  You've still got March, April, May, and June to go and bunches of really good players coming through.  Would be foolish to give anyone that info. 



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Re: Two LaX Wisconsin teams vault into the USBC Open Championships lead.
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2012, 06:09:16 PM »
USBC video report on 3,401 team ... shows several shots from third game ... they were into third arrow or a little deeper.

 



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Re: Two LaX Wisconsin teams vault into the USBC Open Championships lead.
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2012, 03:55:27 PM »
After bowling team last night next to the featured pair I will say that the oil outside of ten really held up well. If you have a team of four or five guys with 500 or better play a line between the first and second arrow for warm ups and into the first game you can create some much needed bump area to make the shot a lot friendlier. We didn't have that luck and that part of the lane really did not break down much. The pair just over from us did and by the end of the first game and into the second they created a lot of bump and hook room to play way more aggressive lines
 
Luck of the draw for those bowling singles/doubles afterwards. Our pair was as close to fresh as you can get and the pair right of us was flying by the end of team. Should be fun when we bowl tonight at 11pm. (glad I work midnites)
 
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Re: Two LaX Wisconsin teams vault into the USBC Open Championships lead.
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2012, 10:29:52 AM »
When you say "500" are you referring to ball surface?
 
kidlost2000 wrote on 3/11/2012 1:55 PM:
After bowling team last night next to the featured pair I will say that the oil outside of ten really held up well. If you have a team of four or five guys with 500 or better play a line between the first and second arrow for warm ups and into the first game you can create some much needed bump area to make the shot a lot friendlier. We didn't have that luck and that part of the lane really did not break down much. The pair just over from us did and by the end of the first game and into the second they created a lot of bump and hook room to play way more aggressive lines
 
Luck of the draw for those bowling singles/doubles afterwards. Our pair was as close to fresh as you can get and the pair right of us was flying by the end of team. Should be fun when we bowl tonight at 11pm. (glad I work midnites)
 
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Re: Two LaX Wisconsin teams vault into the USBC Open Championships lead.
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2012, 11:41:56 AM »
OK.
 
After about 20-25 games or so on the pattern, here's what I've found.
 
You'd better learn how to grab 10 people with the SAME idea how to play the lanes and STICK TO THAT IDEA throughout the entire set.  The shot plays either at fifth board or fifth arrow and we've found a fair amount of success playing directly up the lane around the first arrow, just like Mo Pinel's above180.com interview, with moderate surfaced (4000 abralon & lane shine) or so to start.  I'm going down there with a Prodigy to start and feathering my ball speed nearly 1.5-2.0 MPH less so the ball reads gently at 40-42 feet instead of abruptly @ 50 feet.  I really haven't seen terrible carry issues, either, unless you count the number of 9-pins due to the diminished ball speed.  IMHO, I'll deal with 9-pins a lot easier than 10-pins as small hand position changes or small speed variances should help to solve that.  The real key is to NOT migrate left as much as in the past but to ball down instead.  Two, maybe three times you'll need to do this while GENTLY moving left.  The team leaders, who shot 1100+ each game, were playing around third arrow-ish to finish their team session but there was STILL a shot playing up the boards around 10-12 with moderate covers with polish or lane shine. 


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