Post by: chrisleftwich on February 28, 2011, 02:08:29 AM
Pattern has been posted a day early. What does everyone think? How are you going to play this pattern compared to last year?
Post by: big B on February 28, 2011, 10:36:34 AM
where is the shot posted? been looking can't find it.
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Post by: Russell on February 28, 2011, 10:39:13 AM
Lot....LOT more volume up front a foot longer. My guess is scores will be lower as the end of the pattern has a much smaller ratio of oil to last year.
If I had a guess there will be more of a look playing in this year, and there will be NOTHING right of 5.
Little known fact: In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"
Post by: chrisleftwich on February 28, 2011, 10:57:33 AM
I also think that the pattern will play a little more inside and the breakpoint will be around 10 most likely. Alley is putting it out tonight, so I get to practice on the pattern. I leave for Nationals on Wed, so glad it came out a day early.
Thanks for your incite Russel
Post by: TJonesJr on February 28, 2011, 11:08:16 AM
Here it is: http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/tournaments/pdfs/usbcopenchamp/2011-usbc-oc-pattern.pdf
Post by: riggs on February 28, 2011, 02:04:51 PM
Will have a blog up with some initial thoughts in the next couple of hours.
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on February 28, 2011, 05:18:26 PM
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Post by: THEICEMAN on March 01, 2011, 07:21:33 AM
In seeing the pattern yesterday I let Super Bowl here in Appleton know about it, and the manager and head mechanic spent the afternoon getting it set up. Last year I felt as did others in our group they did a pretty good job getting it close to the look that was at the stadium so I'm trusting they did the same this year. I threw an Anarchy at box drilled 4x4x2 straight up 8-9 with my left foot on 23. (I'm wide through the shoulders as Riggs will attest ;o))
The league only plays 4 per pair so obviuosly transition will come faster and more frequently on the big stage. What I saw was a little wiggle room (free hook) to the right similar to last year. Not a ton but a little, but I did see more hold "in". Last year from the start there was no hold until you burned a hole in the pattern, but there seems to be some there this year. We also had a Reign of Fire and a Nano on the pair. I get my Nano tomorrow and am ancious to try this piece next week. Didn't really find a need to move for the four games but after the first two I wanted to try a little stronger hand position and more tilt to see the look and moved two left and threw up 10. Still had a good look. Shot 190-225-225-212. The 190 I left a 10 on the first ball and in moving left came to a DEAD stop and missed it. Missed a seven a few later that I went too far right and hooked across the face, and got careless in the 10th with a double up and left a 2-8-10 for another open. The 225's I had where clean, and the 212 I had a blower 7-10 on a shreader and a 9 pin in the 6th that I olayed and hooked across the front of between 6 strikes.
The 850 was about 10th high out of about 30 bowlers and there was one more 8 below me. Some struggled as expected. I bowled with Marn Stern who goes out with Dirty's crew next week and she came out with a 240+
got a little loose the next two games but finished with a duece. In talking with a few others near by who seemed to be doing well the feeling was they where similar to last year and there did seem to be some hold from the start. All felt as I do as mentioned earlier transition will happen quicker and more often but if you are on it early and can keep up they should be very playable. It will be interesting to hear what the guys that go out first see and report. We head out two weeks from today... Good luck everyone!!
theiceman
Post by: Nails on March 01, 2011, 10:32:53 AM
You talked the lane man into putting out the Nationals shot for a regular league night? Did the rest of the league know it was going to be a much different shot than usual? Most "good" bowlers would love a chance to throw on it, especially with enough bowlers on the pair to simulate the tournament, but most "house" bowlers would burn you at the stake if you changed their shot, especially without notice.
Telling it like it is.
Post by: THEICEMAN on March 01, 2011, 12:19:40 PM
Nails:
It's a PBAX league. Last week they had out last years pattern as was the plan last night until I saw this years posted already mid morning and gave them a call. And your right, trying it on a regular league would leave some very unhappy campers...........2 more weeks left in the league season and the pattern will run to the end of the season.
theiceman
Post by: mrfish on March 01, 2011, 02:11:54 PM
Iceman,
What day does Dirty's team bowl?? We bowl the 13th and 14th and would like to go and watch them.
Thanks,
Scott
Post by: stealth on March 01, 2011, 04:21:48 PM
Stand on 23 to play straight up 8 or 9 ??? Now thats funny stuff.
Post by: riggs on March 02, 2011, 05:52:51 AM
Think Dirty's team is March 11-12.
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Post by: THEICEMAN on March 02, 2011, 06:29:11 AM
Stealth....I'm extremely wide shouldered, so yep left foot on 23 to throw up 8-9 and I walk a pinch toward my target. At the foul line I'm sliding about 6 boards to the right. To throw up the rail I usually am standing about 18.
Scott, as Riggs said...Dirty's crew is bowling the 11th and 12th.
theiceman
Post by: sevenpin63 on March 02, 2011, 03:06:47 PM
Ok this may be a stupid question but I don't understand all this lingo they are using for this lane condition.
What does this REVERSE OIL and FOWARD OIL mean and all the other terms they are using, can some one explain this to me.
Because when I look at this pattern the way they have it laid out, it almost looks like your typical Christmas tree pattern but I must be wrong cause I don't think they would put that easy of a shot down. Other wise just throw it out to the gutter and let it come back into the pocket, cause it looks dry out there.
DON'T TEMPT THE BOWLING GODS
Post by: Russell on March 02, 2011, 05:19:24 PM
You're looking at the grid...not the graph. Look at the graph and notice the units outside BEFORE 39 feet. Your ball will not read in oil more than about 9 units (unless you have it sanded at parking lot). The shot will be far from a Christmas tree...
Little known fact: In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on March 02, 2011, 05:47:01 PM
Russell, just grab a handful and pitch one wide two boards early in practice during your telecast and show them exactly how much free-hook area there is....lol.
Good luck, bro!
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Post by: sevenpin63 on March 02, 2011, 06:00:32 PM
Ok I see the Graph now, and see what you mean.
What time will you be on this Saturday, Central time please. Because I think I saw on Bowl.com that you were going to be on pretty late but I don't know what time zone, and good luck, bowl your azz off.
Thanks.
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Post by: Russell on March 02, 2011, 06:00:39 PM
Thanks man...I'm pretty sure with how little I've bowled this past year and how bad my swing is I will send a few "wide right". If that's the case I'll just hope that he's right and it will just funnel back :)
Little known fact: In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"
Post by: TWOHAND834 on March 02, 2011, 07:29:42 PM
So you are saying that the shot is going to be inside and play to the range finder with NOTHING outside 5? Now there is a shock. That NEVER happens. I have bowled this thing for 12-13 years now and cant recall too many times where the shot wasnt inside. Guys like Riggs that can split boards will have the success playing in the track area but for about 90% of us going out there, playing in with breakpoint around the range finder is going to be the ticket.
Peace doesnt always have to be silent.
Post by: riggs on March 03, 2011, 06:09:00 AM
Sevenpins, read my blog, which will be updated with more info later today or Friday ... waiting for some more info from people who have bowled on the pattern to do the update. But my blog contains a link to my report last year, which had stuff on reading lane patterns.
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Post by: TJonesJr on March 03, 2011, 07:01:47 AM
2HAND - I agree 1000%!! I bowled on the shot last night and per usual you are in the same area and the goal, just like every year will be to break down together to get a smooth transition. How about a little variety in the shot besides a touch longer or a touch heavier. Why cant the "A" shot be outside of 5? or inside of 18 to start? Sick of seeing the same basic set up
Post by: Russell on March 03, 2011, 01:08:02 PM
They do this to give all angles a line to play if they want. If they run it long the knucklers will have issues...and if they shorten it much the grip and rip crowd will cry.
They are trying to keep entries up by giving a variety of styles a chance. If one year the leaderboard was loaded with guys knuckling it up 2, entries would be lost the following year..and vice versa.
Little known fact: In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"
Post by: sevenpin63 on March 03, 2011, 01:31:05 PM
Ok thanks, this looks like it will have some good info, I will keep an eye on it.
DON'T TEMPT THE BOWLING GODS
Edited by sevenpin63 on 3/3/2011 at 2:32 PM
Post by: TWOHAND834 on March 07, 2011, 05:18:42 AM
But most knucklers will have issues on this because they are making the gutter borderline out of bounds. People with less than 200 rev rates are not going to do anything playing 20 to 10. I understand that they do not want bumper bowling. But, I watched you guys on bowl.com the other night for your team event. It looked like the same old song and dance. Anything right of 8 at 35 feet and forget it, unless you are playing on top of it. As you know, we have needed to use the sub board in previous years and grab that "210" average local guy. He is a guy with a less than 250 rev rate trying to play up 6-7-8 and he shoots 470. USBC Tournament should be about shot making but the same shot every year? What I mean by that, is that you have to play the same part of the lane but it may boil down to ball choice that determines how successful you are.
Peace doesnt always have to be silent.
Post by: riggs on March 07, 2011, 05:47:39 AM
Lotsa big scores already ...
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on March 07, 2011, 09:17:15 AM
Yeah, Riggs. I saw that last night. Usually a mid 1900 is good to take the lead for the first weekend. But they are already pushing 2100.
Peace doesnt always have to be silent.
Post by: Russell on March 08, 2011, 09:05:23 AM
I'm not sure what you're asking for from the pattern. There is a shot in the track almost every year, and I don't know of any "knucklers" that are forced into playing 20 to 10 on the fresh unless they have no clue what they are doing. If you want the ball to recover from right of 8 when you're playing 20 at the arrows go bowl a tourney on a house shot. I personally like shooting 1800 and cashing because it took quality shot making. If you get your way it will take 2100 to cash and 2350 to make any real money. If you're in brackets you had better shoot 750 to even think about it.
Just because you can't fling it to 5 and watch it bounce back doesn't mean that people with lower revrates can't score. As you said they have to stay on top of it....if they don't hook the ball...why is that a bad thing?
Little known fact: In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on March 08, 2011, 02:08:08 PM
We're bowling on the Open pattern tomorrow night with identical lanes, pins, approaches, and conditioner. I know, I know, I know. It's never the SAME but you can only do so much without actually bowling in the Stadium, ya' know?
Return with your shield or on it. Strength and honor. Help control the population of Avenging Unicorns. Arm yourselves accordingly. MTIXE
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Post by: chrisleftwich on March 10, 2011, 09:35:36 AM
Well just got back from bowling Nationals and one thing I can say is that there is some hook out there. I started team event playing down 8 with a Alpha Max and just did not have the greatest reaction. I tried to move inside a little and as Russel has stated, seemed like the ball would wiggle down lane a little. Switched balls to the Outburst last game and found some standing 15 hitting 12 at arrows out to 8 at breakpoint.
Started watching everyone shoot singles and doubles and figured I needed something to get through the heads a little better so had a Loaded Revolver drilled up, when i got on the lanes stood 20 hit 15 at arrows out to 10 and the shot pretty much stayed for me the whole two sets, I did have some trouble with carry though. Ended up shooting 1760, so not the best, but i will take it anyways. Our team ended up shooting 2920, which i thought was decent enough.
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on March 10, 2011, 10:50:04 AM
...and can't wait to try.Return with your shield or on it. Strength and honor. Help control the population of Avenging Unicorns. Arm yourselves accordingly. MTIXE
"I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous."-Nick Faldo
Post by: Russell on March 10, 2011, 03:43:17 PM
Well 4 guys in our group shot 1850+ and all throw it different...and were throwing different balls..in different parts of the lane.
Little known fact: In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"