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giddyupddp

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Why?
« on: October 21, 2017, 10:38:39 AM »
Why Hold the tournament is the same location over and over?
2018 - Syracuse, N.Y.
2019 - Las Vegas
2020 - Reno, Nev.
2021 - Las Vegas
2022 - TBD
2023 - Reno, Nev.
2024 - Las Vegas
2025 - Baton Rouge, La.
2026 - Reno, Nev.

And the 2 places not in Nevada are Syracuse and Baton Rouge, now those are some great vacation destinations.

I live in CT and have no interest in going to Syracuse even being able to drive there and I can't think of any reason to go to Baton Rouge. I used to go to Reno (6 times), once to Vegas, and once to Albuquerque.

To me I love Reno but convincing teammates to go became impossible. Vegas was fun but not a trip that is for everyone and most who like it have gone number of times and IMO its a done that type of trip. Albuquerque was a lot of fun going to a place never been and visiting around New Mexico was a blast. I think its shortsighted not to move the tournament to other cities that bowlers could/would like to make a vacation out of the trip. Bowlers come from every state yet this tournament is held in Nevada and a few other non destination cities. How about CA? FL? TX? etc. There are a lot of great places to visit in the US and Syracuse or Baton Rogue don't often make those lists.....

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Re: Why?
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2017, 10:52:04 AM »
This was rehashed a few years ago, but I assume the reasons remain the same. I also object to going to Las Vegas and Reno so often. Bowlers don't all live on the West Coast.

Among the problems is finding a venue that can support thousands of bowlers (48 lanes minimum) for 6 full months, for almost 18 hours a day.  No normal house can afford to do that. I think that is the biggest problem. Then there has to be decent hotels and motels to accomodate all those people. (I drove to Syracuse last time, 1999, very convenient for me, but the hotel sucked.)

All this has to be done years in advance to fulfill all the administrative requirements.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2017, 11:23:25 AM »
At least when the east coast crowd travels west they don't lose the whole day to time zones like what would happen if I travel to Syracuse.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2017, 01:41:10 PM »
At least when the east coast crowd travels west they don't lose the whole day to time zones like what would happen if I travel to Syracuse.

Trivial loss compared to time and price of a 1 - 2 layover airplane trip to Vegas vs. a 5 hour car trip to Syracuse. Not a whole day but 3 hours. what you gain  in one direction, you lose in the other - equal tradeoff.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2017, 03:07:35 PM »
Without question, trip isn't worth it to me either.

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Re: Why?
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2017, 03:32:57 PM »
Without question, trip isn't worth it to me either.


To be perfectly honest, when they started to schedule all the Nationals in either Reno or Vegas, I got royally pissed off. To me, it was the USBC saying, OUT LOUD, "F*ck every bowler in the East and the Southeast. If they want to bowl, let them pay through the nose with money and time. We don't give a sh*t about them."
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Re: Why?
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2017, 04:28:28 PM »
It's 100% cost.  To rent a convention center for 4 solid months and put up all that equipment and all the lanes and create what they do, that's a TON of money, much more than they pay for the NBS and South Pointe. 
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Re: Why?
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2017, 05:20:30 PM »
It's 100% cost.  To rent a convention center for 4 solid months and put up all that equipment and all the lanes and create what they do, that's a TON of money, much more than they pay for the NBS and South Pointe.

Cost is understandable but the times they do leave Nevada they go to Syracuse and Baton Rogue? Neither speak to me as places I really want to use my vacation days..... I'm sure they are nice enough but they teams I use to go with wanted to make a trip out of the tournament not just bowl.

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Re: Why?
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2017, 05:46:13 PM »
They have gotten in a catch 22.

Bigger cities don't care about a 6 month convention with 40K to 50K attendees. They are unwilling to tie up a convention center for that amount of time.

Smaller cities can't compete because of hotel space, restaurants, airport, etc. and they can't give the USBC enough money and tax breaks.

So you end up with a handful of mid sized cities willing to put up with it and pay for it. Ones that have put on the tournament before know the benefit and may bid again.

As Luke said USBC is going to Reno and Vegas for cost and ease of operation. There was a proposal in Orlando 10 or 15 years ago to build a facility but it fell through. Or we would be going to Reno, Orlando all the time.

I don't mind Vegas. Lots of flights, easy connections, plenty of different things to do. Reno is another story all together.

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Re: Why?
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2017, 06:58:14 PM »
To me going every year...

Reno is boring...
Vegas is now too expensive...

I enjoy the one offs

Baton rogue was neat
El Paso was fun
Going to enjoy Syracuse...I'm driving for once...

They need to mix it up...or have two separate ones. Like keep Reno going her around...and have another that goes to different city each year.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2017, 07:23:20 PM »
You can only go where you are wanted. If cities don't submit bids you end up in Reno and Vegas where it is wanted. There were a bunch of cities in the 90's that we went to that were new convention centers. Once they start scheduling events that want to come back every year they no longer are interested in an event that ties up their convention center for 6 months.

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Re: Why?
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2017, 01:23:11 AM »

The other thing about Las Vegas, is that there is at least one nonstop flight to Las Vegas from almost every major city. That is airline independent, meaning that one or more airline may have a nonstop flight there. Also, depending on International destination, there may be an international nonstop directly to Vegas as well. Dusseldorf, London, Dublin, Reykjavik, Vancouver, Toronto, Winnipeg, Paris, Manchester, Seoul, and Zurich all have nonstops. And seeing that some international bowlers are bowling Nats, it's an easy destination for them to get to.

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Re: Why?
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2017, 03:16:54 PM »
I get the Vegas & Reno thing to an extent. I would like to see a rotation more similar to Vegas - Random - Reno - Random- Vegas..so on and so forth. I would love to see them get something in the Carolina's, Ohio (Columbus Airport)/Indiana (Indianapolis airport) Washington(Seattle Airport)/Oregon(Portland Airport). Variety would be a good thing.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2017, 04:01:15 PM »
It's not as simple as the USBC saying we want to go to Columbus or Indianapolis.  The facilities that are capable of hosting don't want such an event.  They are much better off from a business perspective hosting 20 events over 6 months that return every year than hosting one event for 6 months and telling their yearly customers they have to find an alternate location and hoping they return. 

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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2017, 04:16:59 PM »
Perhaps some of the large cities in the east should step up to the plate. Reno did and built a bowling palace. In Vegas, South Point put their money where their mouth is and built a venue for bowling. There was once rumors that Orlando was going to do the same, but I guess it fell through.

Chicago, New York, Houston and Atlanta are all large enough and with enough convention traffic to support such a venue.

And the facility doesn't even have to be a uni-tasker like Reno and South Point have. Build the bowling alley with the ball returns and have a removable floor that covers it when not being used, like Boston Gardens, Staples Center in LA, Verizon Center in Washington etc. Those facilities are used for both basketball and Ice Hockey and can be changed from one to the other in a matter of hours.
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