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giddyupddp

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Why?
« on: October 21, 2017, 10:38:39 AM »
Why Hold the tournament is the same location over and over?
2018 - Syracuse, N.Y.
2019 - Las Vegas
2020 - Reno, Nev.
2021 - Las Vegas
2022 - TBD
2023 - Reno, Nev.
2024 - Las Vegas
2025 - Baton Rouge, La.
2026 - Reno, Nev.

And the 2 places not in Nevada are Syracuse and Baton Rouge, now those are some great vacation destinations.

I live in CT and have no interest in going to Syracuse even being able to drive there and I can't think of any reason to go to Baton Rouge. I used to go to Reno (6 times), once to Vegas, and once to Albuquerque.

To me I love Reno but convincing teammates to go became impossible. Vegas was fun but not a trip that is for everyone and most who like it have gone number of times and IMO its a done that type of trip. Albuquerque was a lot of fun going to a place never been and visiting around New Mexico was a blast. I think its shortsighted not to move the tournament to other cities that bowlers could/would like to make a vacation out of the trip. Bowlers come from every state yet this tournament is held in Nevada and a few other non destination cities. How about CA? FL? TX? etc. There are a lot of great places to visit in the US and Syracuse or Baton Rogue don't often make those lists.....

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Re: Why?
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2017, 04:23:45 PM »
Perhaps some of the large cities in the east should step up to the plate. Reno did and built a bowling palace. In Vegas, South Point put their money where their mouth is and built a venue for bowling. There was once rumors that Orlando was going to do the same, but I guess it fell through.

Chicago, New York, Houston and Atlanta are all large enough and with enough convention traffic to support such a venue.

And the facility doesn't even have to be a uni-tasker like Reno and South Point have. Build the bowling alley with the ball returns and have a removable floor that covers it when not being used, like Boston Gardens, Staples Center in LA, Verizon Center in Washington etc. Those facilities are used for both basketball and Ice Hockey and can be changed from one to the other in a matter of hours.

Why?  Bowling is dying (at least in US).  Probably won't completely die but don't see it growing any time soon and so spending large amounts of money on it is probably a fool's errand much as I would love what you are saying to happen.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2017, 04:34:37 PM »


Why?  Bowling is dying.  Probably won't completely die but don't see it growing any time soon and so spending large amounts of money on it is probably a fool's errand much as I would love what you are saying to happen.

I tend to agree with you. When I look around at league, I see mostly people older than me, rather than younger(I'm 55). That's a sure sign that the sport is dying.

Another example is tournaments. The CA USBC Open tournament has  around 500 teams. This past weekend I bowled in the CA Seniors tournament which is for 50 and older only. There are 485 entries, which is typical for the Seniors. Of course, this is just numbers from California, but I suspect it's similar across the country.
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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2017, 04:37:10 PM »
80-100k visitors spread out over 6 months isn't enough bodies to get big cities even interested, never mind build a facility.  If it was financially feasible it would have already been done.


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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2017, 04:41:48 PM »
80-100k visitors spread out over 6 months isn't enough bodies to get big cities even interested, never mind build a facility.  If it was financially feasible it would have already been done.



Agreed, but haven't you been reading here? The only reason more people don't bowl the Open is because it's in Reno/Vegas every year.  ::)   ;D


Yea, I'm expecting at least 200K teams in Syracuse this year. Otherwise some people might look foolish...  :o
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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2017, 05:26:22 PM »
Well, I've been to Syracuse and I've probably been to Las Vegas 100 times.  And I'd go to Las Vegas for another 100 visits before I go back to Syracuse.

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Re: Why?
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2017, 05:28:44 PM »
I much preferred bowling the tournament when it was in a different city each year.

However I understand what has happened.

I'm amazed that they can still get 8000+ teams anywhere given the current level of membership.

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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2017, 06:02:20 PM »
I wish it was back to the "different city" every year routine myself. I wasn't bowling the last time it was in Syracuse, but I'm going this year.

Reno for me is a day trip, so I'm tired of going there all the time for the Open myself. I can handle Vegas more, although I bowl there multiple times a year even when the tournament isn't in town.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2017, 06:18:39 PM »
Maybe with the 2022 TBD you can go to some resort destination like Toledo, Tulsa or Huntsville or just pick your favorite fly-over state. 

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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2017, 06:22:50 PM »
Maybe with the 2022 TBD you can go to some resort destination like Toledo, Tulsa or Huntsville or just pick your favorite fly-over state. 

I'm thinking we have a different definition of "resort destination".  ::)
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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2017, 07:01:24 PM »
Maybe with the 2022 TBD you can go to some resort destination like Toledo, Tulsa or Huntsville or just pick your favorite fly-over state.

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Re: Why?
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2017, 11:00:55 AM »
Would Honolulu sound more attractive and a resort destination?
Bowl and then sip sweet coconut / passion fruit cocktails at Dukes Bare Foot Bar and then work on your tan on Wikiki Beach. Then go long boarding on 1/2 mile long gentle waves and diving in the afternoon.
Just kidding.

Vegas is easy to repeat over and over and is a bowling town. There must be over 600 lanes alone in the city limits.
There are really cheap vacation packages available with air, hotel and food in 3 and 5 day increments. Easy to drive to and fly to, plenty of parking. More places to eat than you can ever make it to. And one of the entertainment capitals in  the world.

Then you have gaming regulated by the Nevada Gaming Commission with complimentary cocktails or beer.

At least with Las Vegas and Reno, you know what to expect. Seems it would be really expensive for me to visit Syracuse or Baton Rouge from So Cal.

On a side note, about 3 years ago the USBC had the Junior Golds in Detroit to help support the bankrupt city. Kids in my area fund raised for 6 months to pay for the trip raising about 1K for them and a parent to go. The trip was at peak travel and even 2 greyhound bus tickets and 5 nights in a motel plus food was about 2K total and 11 days time.

Ya I definitely understand the Vegas/Reno sites.

Likewise if they had it in California. I'm in Ohio, so this time Syracuse is a drive-able location. Just seems like they could show the East coast some more love.
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« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2017, 11:31:21 AM »
Would Honolulu sound more attractive and a resort destination?
Bowl and then sip sweet coconut / passion fruit cocktails at Dukes Bare Foot Bar and then work on your tan on Wikiki Beach. Then go long boarding on 1/2 mile long gentle waves and diving in the afternoon.
Just kidding.

Vegas is easy to repeat over and over and is a bowling town. There must be over 600 lanes alone in the city limits.
There are really cheap vacation packages available with air, hotel and food in 3 and 5 day increments. Easy to drive to and fly to, plenty of parking. More places to eat than you can ever make it to. And one of the entertainment capitals in  the world.

Then you have gaming regulated by the Nevada Gaming Commission with complimentary cocktails or beer.

At least with Las Vegas and Reno, you know what to expect. Seems it would be really expensive for me to visit Syracuse or Baton Rouge from So Cal.

On a side note, about 3 years ago the USBC had the Junior Golds in Detroit to help support the bankrupt city. Kids in my area fund raised for 6 months to pay for the trip raising about 1K for them and a parent to go. The trip was at peak travel and even 2 greyhound bus tickets and 5 nights in a motel plus food was about 2K total and 11 days time.

Ya I definitely understand the Vegas/Reno sites.

Likewise if they had it in California. I'm in Ohio, so this time Syracuse is a drive-able location. Just seems like they could show the East coast some more love.

"They" who?

USBC wants to have the tournament in the East. The best deal they could find was Syracuse. USBC has some warts, but this issue isn't one they have control over. As said before, "You can only go where you are wanted"
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Re: Why?
« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2017, 12:14:14 PM »
Would Honolulu sound more attractive and a resort destination?
Bowl and then sip sweet coconut / passion fruit cocktails at Dukes Bare Foot Bar and then work on your tan on Wikiki Beach. Then go long boarding on 1/2 mile long gentle waves and diving in the afternoon.
Just kidding.

Vegas is easy to repeat over and over and is a bowling town. There must be over 600 lanes alone in the city limits.
There are really cheap vacation packages available with air, hotel and food in 3 and 5 day increments. Easy to drive to and fly to, plenty of parking. More places to eat than you can ever make it to. And one of the entertainment capitals in  the world.

Then you have gaming regulated by the Nevada Gaming Commission with complimentary cocktails or beer.

At least with Las Vegas and Reno, you know what to expect. Seems it would be really expensive for me to visit Syracuse or Baton Rouge from So Cal.

On a side note, about 3 years ago the USBC had the Junior Golds in Detroit to help support the bankrupt city. Kids in my area fund raised for 6 months to pay for the trip raising about 1K for them and a parent to go. The trip was at peak travel and even 2 greyhound bus tickets and 5 nights in a motel plus food was about 2K total and 11 days time.

Ya I definitely understand the Vegas/Reno sites.

Likewise if they had it in California. I'm in Ohio, so this time Syracuse is a drive-able location. Just seems like they could show the East coast some more love.

"They" who?

USBC wants to have the tournament in the East. The best deal they could find was Syracuse. USBC has some warts, but this issue isn't one they have control over. As said before, "You can only go where you are wanted"

Right, definitely didn't intend to over simplify the site choice process.

Let's get a country singer to make a song about bowling and we can all go to Nashville!
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« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2017, 12:37:04 PM »
The last thing Nashville needs is a reason to up room prices. 

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« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2017, 01:17:30 PM »
The last thing Nashville needs is a reason to up room prices. 

Come on now, you should consider MY needs here. My parents live in Alabama, south of Huntsville. I wouldn't have to get a hotel.  ;D


Of course, Huntsville would be an even better choice.
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