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TDC57

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Winner bowls unopposed
« on: August 13, 2007, 01:48:12 PM »
So, after Mushtare and anyone else who has bowled unopposed and achieved perfection we now have the USBC in their infinite wisdom allowing a team to request to bowl unopposed in Team event and they run away with the title. When will these brilliant leaders of ours get their heads out of their rumps and stop this practice?

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Re: Winner bowls unopposed
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2007, 10:47:44 PM »
USBC admitted in their forums that there was a mistake made, but nothing against the rules was done.  You can rest assured it will never happen again....

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Re: Winner bowls unopposed
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2007, 11:27:00 PM »
I just read the article covering this in Bowlers Journal.  No rules were broken, true, but Bryon Smith sounded a little ridiculous in his defense of it.  He takes two teams every year, bowls one on the 2:30 squad, and one on the 8 pm squad, this is supposedly so the people going with him don't wind up getting each other in brackets, ok, fine.  Then he sees the "2:30 team" not doing well, because the other team on their pair was "playing the lanes wrong", so he doesn't want that happening to his late team, so he asks if they can be moved to a pair with nobody else on it if one is available.  USBC agrees and they are moved.  Now he says he just asked an innocent question, not knowing the rule on it, and they really just went there to have fun, and play some golf, never actually expecting to win it.  
Let me get this straight......a former touring pro takes two teams, puts them on separate squads so they don't face each other in brackets, is frustrated that the other team on the early squad played the lanes wrong, asks to be moved to another pair, so they'll have the pattern all to themselves, and all they wanted to do was have fun, and play some golf? I don't think I'm buying that, it's a little rich for me.  Just say that what he did was within the rules, and he saw an opportunity and took advantage of it, the BS defense comes off as a little sappy.

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Re: Winner bowls unopposed
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2007, 12:41:05 PM »
Bryon really wasn't the one that formed the teams. I'm pretty sure he was asked to bowl on that team since at the time, he couldn't bowl on the other Lava Lanes team that has Curtis Woods on it because his PBA status kept him from doing so. So this was the first year he was eligible and he was put on the other team so as not to replace Curtis. Now obviously with his experience he would be captain of the team.

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Re: Winner bowls unopposed
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2007, 10:09:29 PM »
Granted, the article did not say that Smith put the teams together, and if I implied that in my response I apologize for that.  He was the captain and the one who asked the question of USBC to see if there were lanes available that did not have teams bowling on them.  I also do not blame Smith or team Lava Lanes for the problem, they took advantage of a rule that was not in place that should have been.  This is clearly USBC not having all of their bases covered, and allowing a really bad situation to take place.  I wonder if I had made this same request if it would have been granted......probably not, Bryon Smith....sure no problem Mr. Smith.  Sad governing body we have.

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Re: Winner bowls unopposed
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2007, 10:22:13 PM »
These pro/amateur's are a bunch of punks. They bowl the Nationals and do everything in their power to tip the hand in their favor. They attempt to groove the lanes by trying to change the shot to suit their needs. They corrupt the brackets and walk around the event like they are gods. The event is billed as an amateur event and some of these punks are far from amatuers. They enter the event with the mindset of feasting on bowlers that are on a much lower level. Most of them are defunct touring players that didn't have what it takes to compete on the big stage. I think their elitist attitude is what irks me the most.

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Re: Winner bowls unopposed
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2007, 10:51:58 PM »
quote:
These pro/amateur's are a bunch of punks. They bowl the Nationals and do everything in their power to tip the hand in their favor. They attempt to groove the lanes by trying to change the shot to suit their needs. They corrupt the brackets and walk around the event like they are gods. The event is billed as an amateur event and some of these punks are far from amatuers. They enter the event with the mindset of feasting on bowlers that are on a much lower level. Most of them are defunct touring players that didn't have what it takes to compete on the big stage. I think their elitist attitude is what irks me the most.


And your problem is?

NappyCuts

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Re: Winner bowls unopposed
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2007, 10:53:34 PM »
That i'm not one of them!

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Re: Winner bowls unopposed
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2007, 10:51:47 PM »
I am laughing at the comment they were just out there to have fun and golf! I use to live in Oregon and bowled with a guy on his team that won, and I can tell you for a fact that guy is all about the money. League, Tourney, even practice that guy only cares about money.

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Re: Winner bowls unopposed
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2007, 06:54:24 AM »
My sponsor was the captain of the team that finished 2nd.....he was very vocal w/USBC about the discrepency....but let it go after enough time went by.  Smith's admission that they did this to get an advantage...and not to get out of there faster....will not sit well with many.

I must say that it wreaks of dirt.
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Re: Winner bowls unopposed
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2007, 07:05:07 AM »
WOW, what a crock this is, I have been going to nationals for 12 years now, and I have a hard time changing dates after I have recieved the conformation letter.
It would be interesting to see if this incident takes away any future teams saying screw this, it's tough enough to go there and make any money.

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Re: Winner bowls unopposed
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2007, 04:52:07 PM »
Defunct touring players who don't have what it takes to make it?
 Excuse me if I'm wrong but didn't Bryon Smith win The Masters in 2003. I guess it doesn't take anything to win that.

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Re: Winner bowls unopposed
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2007, 05:59:37 PM »
wonder if any of the accused would care or dare to respond.  it would certainly be interesting reading.  have gone every year since 2001 and have had some very good players on our teams struggle.  hm...
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Re: Winner bowls unopposed
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2007, 10:25:15 AM »
I'm not going this year because of this issue. I have bowled with a group of 4 teams, every year they have kept our "squad times" the same. That is, until Corpus Christi 2 years ago...the squad leader fell asleep at the switch, and our $$ arrived late. The USBC stated that we lost our squad time because of this (fair enough, I said, we were indeed late).
Now, it appears that the USBC is catering to people. Everybody who enters this tournament is doing so under deadlines, and random lane assignments. Then this BS scenario happens, with Lava Lanes. Hey, they asked, and were accommodated. Then they happen to bowl fantastic. I cannot fault the bowlers, I blame the tournament director(s).
I read the Bowler's Journal article, and the thing that irks me is the "bracket" comments. Face it folks, brackets are ruining bowling. There is no more team concept anymore.

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Re: Winner bowls unopposed
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2007, 04:34:14 PM »
My team had to bowl with team that didn't play the lanes like we would have liked but we sucked it up and broke them down as a team. It took longer to do with the other team spraying shots all over the lane but that's the game.

Brackets has ruined sidepots in my area as well. We have a hard time getting a sidepot together but everyone (even the women) in my leagues will get in the brackets.
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