Post by: VBPadvertising on April 05, 2005, 12:39:46 PM
Just thought I would stop back in and update everyone on the Centaur AMB Particle that will be released late this month. I have been receiving a lot of emails requesting information on the AMB Particle, so I hope this gives everyone the information that they are requesting.
This new ball is a hooking machine. I cannot emphasize enough that you will need HEAVY OIL. The AMB Particle uses the same core design and weight distribution as the original AMB Pearl, and has a med-high load reactive particle coverstock. The color is what we call dual blue (light blue with darker blue swirls) If anyone wants a picture of the ball, just email me and I will send you one.
The RG and Differential numbers are nearly identical to the original AMB, and because of that, this ball will create a tremendous amount of flare. During testing, some of the individuals throwing this ball nearly flared around the entire ball.
We have had many bowlers throw this ball, and every one of them have said that this ball outhooks any ball that they have ever thrown by atleast 4-5 boards. If you ever see lane conditions where you can't get anything to hook, this is the ball you will want in your bag.
This ball has been sent to Bowlers Journal and Bowling This Month, and the reviews should be found in next months magazines. Bowlers Journal should have the review in the magazine that comes out in about 10 days. Please read their reviews, because this should give you an accurate indication as to how much this ball really hooks.
If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to contact me at vbpadvertising@aol.com
Thanks again for your support,
Jason Wonders
Visionary Bowling Products
Edited on 4/5/2005 8:35 PM
Post by: VBPadvertising on April 05, 2005, 08:48:54 PM
To be honest, most of the people that have thrown this ball also threw the midnight scorcher. They all agree that this ball hooks more than the scorcher, and definitely has more backend.
Jason Wonders
VBP
Post by: livespive on April 05, 2005, 08:53:50 PM
I always wanted to ask, how does the AMB compare to the DC TOur?
I have thrown the DC Tour and the scocher, and was just wondering how they compare.
I have fallen in love with the Executioners, but am willing to give the AMB's a try because I loved the DC tour.
Thanks,
Eric
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Visionary Test Staff Member
http://www.visionarybowling.com
Post by: VBPadvertising on April 05, 2005, 09:02:36 PM
Most bowlers say that they can see a similarity in the roll characteristics of the ball, however the modifications that we have made tend to keep the ball from rolling out. Some bowlers felt that the original DC core design tended to allow the ball to roll out too early.
The biggest change between the AMB and the DC core design is the weight distribution. The AMB cap (anti mass bias cap) is an extremely light cap on the opposite side of the ball. You will never have to worry about drilling out heavy materials and changing mass bias on this ball. It sounds a little odd, but when you use a light cap to remove weight from one side, it creates a natural mass bias on the opposite side of the ball.
If you liked the original DC, I really think you will love the AMB. Did you keep the DC's in box condition? If so, you may need to scuff the AMB Pearl slightly to get it to roll as soon as the original, but I definitely don't think you will be disappointed.
Jason Wonders
VBP
Post by: imjouster on April 05, 2005, 09:11:18 PM
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Conversation between me and my girlfriend.
Her(what I hear):Blah blah blah blah blah BOWLING blah blah.
Me: What did you say about bowling?
Her: I didn't say bowling I said, DRIVING, I'm tired of driving.
Me: Ohhh. Nevermind.
Post by: VBPadvertising on April 05, 2005, 09:29:16 PM
To be honest, I can't really compare a fresh super carbide bomb to this ball because nobody that tested this ball had a new one to throw against it. However, a couple of people that threw the ball had one in the past, and said that this ball did outhook the super carbide and the carbide bombs.
Please understand that those balls were not tested side by side, and nobody associated with our company has ever thrown a super carbide bomb, so we are going on the word of some of our testers. However, these testers are very good bowlers and are always honest with us be it good or bad.
Jason Wonders
Visionary Bowling Products
Post by: crankncrash on April 05, 2005, 11:05:39 PM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on April 06, 2005, 01:36:35 AM
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I just want 2C was'zzub.
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Post by: imjouster on April 06, 2005, 09:02:00 PM
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Conversation between me and my girlfriend.
Her(what I hear):Blah blah blah blah blah BOWLING blah blah.
Me: What did you say about bowling?
Her: I didn't say bowling I said, DRIVING, I'm tired of driving.
Me: Ohhh. Nevermind.
Post by: imjouster on April 06, 2005, 10:15:56 PM
. I find it insane when i come online and hear people talking about using their intense inferno or triple X-factor, or Backyard Bully for dry lanes. If i tried to use them on our dry then the ball would flip over before the arrows and then go in a straight line.--------------------
Conversation between me and my girlfriend.
Her(what I hear):Blah blah blah blah blah BOWLING blah blah.
Me: What did you say about bowling?
Her: I didn't say bowling I said, DRIVING, I'm tired of driving.
Me: Ohhh. Nevermind.
Post by: TheDude on April 07, 2005, 11:46:52 PM
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Montreal, Quebec.
Post by: MI 2 AZ on May 14, 2005, 04:39:02 PM
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I just want 2C was'zzub.
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Post by: charlest on May 14, 2005, 06:02:25 PM
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Should be coming out sometime this week. Any testers already try it out?
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BJI tested it. Said they'd need oil equivalent to the MISSISSIPPI River, overflowing its banks, to provide enough oil to tame this "Creature from the Black Lagoon"!
Post by: MI 2 AZ on May 14, 2005, 07:12:48 PM
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I just want 2C was'zzub.
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I am the SGT Schultz of bowling.
"I know nothing! I see nothing! NOTHING!"
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Post by: ozsweet on May 14, 2005, 07:16:05 PM
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Is this particle going to be easy to polish? the Garnite, purple ice and scorcher just ate polis
Probably not - but then again Visionary told us not to bother trying to polish the Scorcher. This new ball clearly appears to be a single use ball rather than something versatile. I'd say if the conditions are not right, keep both the polish and the ball in the bag and choose something else.
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Post by: charlest on May 14, 2005, 08:28:36 PM
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Thanks, charlest. Which issue was that in? I will have to see if I can find a copy of it.
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Current one: May 2005.
(If you need a copy, message me.)
Edited on 5/14/2005 8:21 PM
Post by: charlest on May 14, 2005, 08:31:11 PM
quote:quote:
Is this particle going to be easy to polish? the Garnite, purple ice and scorcher just ate polis
Probably not - but then again Visionary told us not to bother trying to polish the Scorcher. This new ball clearly appears to be a single use ball rather than something versatile. I'd say if the conditions are not right, keep both the polish and the ball in the bag and choose something else.
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Just bowl!
But the Scorcher was urethane based, which is a TON of trouble to polish. This one is resin based, as far as I know; a lot, LOT easier to sand and polish. BJI said they had to polish it to use on their heavy oil sport shot AND their house shot.
Post by: MI 2 AZ on May 17, 2005, 01:26:52 AM
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Current one: May 2005.
(If you need a copy, message me.)
Thanks, charlest, I found a copy of it.
I found it interesting that on a Sport league, a LH took out the 10 pin with it after the ball looked good at the halfway point, then a RH crossed 20 at the arrows out to 5 and took out the 7 pin. Definitely not like a Midnight Scorcher.
If anyone gets theirs and has a chance to play with it, I would like to know how it reacts after sanding up or polishing it. The BJI article said they took it to the spinner and polished it but didnt really say much about it after that.
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I just want 2C was'zzub.
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I am the SGT Schultz of bowling.
"I know nothing! I see nothing! NOTHING!"
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Post by: I_Bowl4Money on May 17, 2005, 12:52:37 PM
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Visionary Shirt Staff
VBP 100% - - If you have the money then I've got the time!!
http://www.bowl4money.com
http://www.visionarybowling.com
Edited on 5/17/2005 12:45 PM
Post by: ozsweet on May 20, 2005, 02:05:16 PM
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on May 23, 2005, 11:29:22 PM
http://www.visionarybowling.com/
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- Benjamin Franklin
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"I know nothing! I see nothing! NOTHING!"
Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on May 24, 2005, 07:21:52 AM
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Post by: ozsweet on May 24, 2005, 08:16:55 AM
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Just bowl!
Post by: livespive on May 24, 2005, 08:52:32 AM
But now I have to ask.
Jason,
With the Centaur, and Gryphons's being such a hit, how much longer will the Executioner remain in the line up?......
Just need to know if I should buy a case or two anytime soon. lol
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Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
Visionary Test Staff Member
http://www.visionarybowling.com
http://www.maysbowlingandbilliards.com
Post by: VBPadvertising on May 24, 2005, 09:26:19 AM
I am sorry to say, that after many years of strong performance, the Charcoal Executioner is in it's last few months. It will be discontinued this summer, but it had a very long and successful lifespan.
It is one of my favorites as well, and I plan on saving a few for myself. However, we do need to make room for the new balls we will be releasing over the next year. If you really want to have some for the future, I would suggest that you stock up on them now, because I don't know how many will be left after June.
Thanks again for everyones support, and Eric, I hope that you can find a new ball in our current lineup that fits your game as well as the Charcoal did.
Jason Wonders
Visionary Bowling Products
Post by: CharlieBrown on May 24, 2005, 09:35:15 AM
May I say thank you for coming here and answer questions.
Good job!
CB
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Post by: livespive on May 24, 2005, 09:52:50 AM
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Jason,
May I say thank you for coming here and answer questions.
Good job!
CB
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The Angry Bowler
Yes,
I thank you as well Jason.
Seeing as I did like the DC Tour, I will be giving the AMB's a try.
I will also be give the Frankie May a shot too.
Thanks again for the heads up on the Executioner, I will bee getting a case or two very soon.
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Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
Visionary Test Staff Member
http://www.visionarybowling.com
http://www.maysbowlingandbilliards.com
Post by: VBPadvertising on May 24, 2005, 09:57:55 AM
You are both very welcome. I try to make sure that I visit this site frequently, and whenever I feel like my input is needed I try to answer questions for everyone. If for some reason I miss a post or a question directed towards me, please don't hesitate to contact me at vbpadvertising@aol.com .
Thanks again,
Jason Wonders
Visionary Bowling Products
Post by: livespive on May 24, 2005, 05:00:29 PM
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A sad day for Eric.....LOL
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San Antonio, Texas
Home of the San Antonio Spurs
Don Jonietz Pro Shop
Bowling Centers with no clue
NOT FUNNY!!!!! lol
But true seeing as I am planning on building an arsenal of Executioners.
I 'll just have to do it sooner.
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Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
Visionary Test Staff Member
http://www.visionarybowling.com
http://www.maysbowlingandbilliards.com
Post by: Leftyhi-trak on May 27, 2005, 08:33:30 AM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 09, 2005, 12:10:17 AM
I had been using my Army Green Carbide Bomb on this pattern before with some success, but have been in a slump lately so nothing was working right for me. When I stood at 30 targeting out to 15 at the arrows with the AGCB, the ball would make a decent move back into the pocket. When I tried standing at 22 targeting 10 at the arrows, the ball had too much length and would not recover back into the pocket.
With the AMB Particle, I started out standing at 22 targeting 10 and hit the Brooklyn pocket twice. I then tried standing at 32 and targeting 15 at the arrows and took out the 4-7-8. The AMB Particle starts moving left almost as soon as it passes the arrows so I never got the ball out to my normal breakpoint area. I only tried the ball three times on that lane condition but it seems that I would need to have more oil on the lanes to give it a true test. Unfortunately, that 42' pattern may be the longest oil pattern that I would see although I am not sure it was a heavy oil pattern.
I know that our other sport patterns are 39' and 41' so I am going to try to bring the surface of the AMBP up a bit to 600 and perhaps try it again.
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"Those who will give up essential liberty to secure a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin
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I am the SGT Schultz of bowling.
"I know nothing! I see nothing! NOTHING!"
Post by: Strapper_Squared on August 01, 2005, 09:06:20 PM
Thanks,
S^2
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on August 07, 2005, 12:27:30 AM
I am a high rev player (540 rpm),and decided to buy this AMB Part. Reason.....my home house oils 38 feet buff to 42 and I am not quite sure as to the number of units. Any other Visionary ball I have bought to this point, and I have a bunch, I have a hard time getting the ball to read the lane playing up the middle. On the AMB Part, I have the pin above the bridge about 2 inches and the cg stacked under the bridge about an inch below with no weight holes. I cannot get the ball down the lane at all and I have 5 coats of Brunswick Factory Polish on this thing. This ball wants to rev up as soon as it hits the arrows. To keep the ball right of the head pin, I have to stand about 50, loft the first few feet of the gutter and hope I can get the ball right of 10. If I do not get the ball right of 10, I have no chance. Bowlers with alot of tilt or higher ball speeds will love this ball, but bowlers with alot of rev rate and average ball speed will have a very difficult time with this ball. I have the Frankie May and that ball is a much much better ball for higher rev rates on higher volumes of oil.
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Atlanta (Buford), GA
Pro Shop Operator
Advanced Bowling Solutions
If anyone out there is worried about the scores being too high, try duckpin!!
Post by: Strapper_Squared on August 17, 2005, 09:42:34 AM
Thanks,
S^2
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