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Gargoyle
« on: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »
The ball is equipped with the NPT weight block with a spherical wrap around it and a new reactive coverstock. The shell and core combination used in this ball provide good length (similar to the Orange Warlock) but with an even more explosive backend reaction. The color of the ball is Green Pearl. Low RG = 2.58". RG Differential = 0.038".

 

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Re: Gargoyle
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2003, 05:01:24 PM »
Profile:  17-18 mph, high track, 500 rpm
Ball:  16 pounds, 3 inch pin, ??? top weight

I have actually had this ball for about 2 years now.  It still packs a punch the same way it did back then.  If anything, the ball reaction has evened out a little.  I have this ball drilled with the pin at the 1:30 position about 1/4 inch from the ring finger and the cg kicked just outside the grip.  This ball does not like heavy oil or dry heads.  On a standard house shot, 37 feet, heavy oil from 12 to 12, lighter oil from 5 to 12 on both sides, with clean back ends, the Gargoyle is made for this condition.  I have been able to score from anywhere on the lane, whether playing up the boards, or swinging the lane.  The ball will get through the heads really well and have a booming backend reaction.  BEWARE!!  If the heads start to go, so will the ball.  If the oil pattern is long and/or heavy, it won't hook unless you can throw it 12 miles an hour.  I also have a Threat and the 2 balls are very similar in length and reaction.  My Gargoyle has a little more backend than the Threat.  The Gargoyle is a medium oil to medium dry lane ball.  Hit and carry is not something to worry about.
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Re: Gargoyle
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2003, 12:28:55 AM »
This is my first from this small ball company was a tuff decision to make because I have 3 bags full of others from Ebonite to Lane1 all seem to be pleasing and the fact that they have created some unique but well liked equipment.So here is what I think ; AWESOME!!!!!! whatever your specs or style this is a great ball for med and short oil patterns,you may play med to heavy but you must slow up the ball speed.In my first tournament I averaged 205 for 6 games which is 26 pins higher than my tourney average so I was immpressed.The ball rolls smooth to the break point then revs up like a dragster spinning its wheels then bang to the pocket like a magnet to a refrigerater.Love isn't the word addiction is more like it I will definitly get one or two more balls depending on my needs and conditions.I also want to say thanks to my pro shop because with out you I might as well throw rocks.
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Re: Gargoyle
« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2003, 06:28:16 PM »
Awesome Ball!!! The very first thing I noticed about my two Visionary balls (Blue Gargoyle) was the absolutely incredible hitting power! (not to be confused with carry)  I leave more solid nines and eights than solid tens, with these balls! I have had these balls almost two months and the performance is still incredible. As with all balls, as long as you keep it cleaned it works just as well as the day you first bought it! This ball also does exactly as I had heard, goes long turns the corner HARD and PUNISHES the pins.  This ball is definitely for medium to lighter conditions but that's exactly what I got it for so it's great! As long as it's lighter oil you are playing on you can throw this ball anywhere. 25 to 7? 5 to 2? it doesn't matter! Buy this ball for lighter conditions and watch as you crush the pocket over and over and over and over and...
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Re: Gargoyle
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2003, 03:42:56 AM »
First, I would say this ball matched the numbers on the ball. And secondly this ball works well on burned heads and tight backend. I cannot belive the backend in this ball. I drilled this ball with a Rev. Leverage pattern in this ball to compliment my Burgundy Particle Gryphon. Visionary is on the right path even if this is one of their older balls in their lineup it works well on tougher, broken down house patterns.

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Re: Gargoyle
« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2003, 03:28:42 PM »
I was in need of a replacement lighter oil ball since my AZO Red Fire was pretty beat up, and ended up picking up one of these Green Monsters from a friend.

Balls specs:  My Gargoyle is 16lbs with a 3-4" pin out and it is drilled pin over and slightly right of the ring finger, stacked over the CG with the MB ending up in the strong position.  (No numbers, only cared for the MB in the strong position)

I've thrown my Gargoyle on both lane surfaces with success and failure.

On the synthetic lanes, oiled 40 ft flat no buff...walled out, I played straight up five with a high track release in order to avoid the oil.  If you can raise your speed effectively once what oil is out there dries up this line works well with the Gargoyle.  For me I couldn't get the speed high enough to stay straight the rest of the night.

For the most part I've used the Green Gargoyle on wood lanes, second or third shift patterns at the most.  I believe the oil pattern that's laid out is a crown (not positive).  On the second shift pattern my line of choice was slide foot over 30, throwing either high or low track release, sending the ball out to the 15.  A slight hold develops outside ten so if I get the Gargoyle out too soon the pearl won't recover strong enough to make it back to the pocket.  If it stays in any sort of dry for too long the ball will over react and hook into the beak most of the time.  If you move in deeper and use some of the oil, the ball will also skid too long to recover back to the pocket. (my failures)

When I use the Green Gargoyle on the third shift shot, with very little oil left anywhere on the lane, I start my slide foot on 35 and send the ball out, using either a high track or a low track release, to the 10 board as a breakpoint.  On this condition the Green really works it's magic.  Without alot of oil to hinder the coverstock, the ball rolls nicely...relatively smooth down the lane.  It won't make much of a move until it gets to the backend, but with my layout the backend isn't out of control either. (My success)

I've recently learned the Green is speed sensitive even on dry, it's pretty forgiving with hand release mistakes, but it's not target forgiving.  If you miss a few boards either way you'll probably hate what you're looking at.  I also found this ball works best if you throw it naturally, try not to over hit or over throw the ball.  It will reward you greatly...as every Visionary ball I've ever thrown has.


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Re: Gargoyle
« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2003, 03:25:24 AM »
Mine is 15#, 3-4" pin. I put the pin over my middle finger, 5 1/2" from my PAP. CG is kicked out a bit.

This ball is very flippy. It gets through the heads very well, and hooks really hard on the dry. Doesn't handle carrydown well at all. It's been hard for me to control with this layout.

The hit is very strong, even from deep inside.

I wish I could say more, but mine has been so inconsistent. I guess that says something. I plan to try another with a more predictable layout, as this is not the first time I've had trouble with pins above the fingers.

I went back and drilled a weight hole just above my PAP. This got it under control and now I love it. Still gets down the lane very clean, but the hook is now very predictable.
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Re: Gargoyle
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2004, 08:27:54 PM »
I have had this ball for a couple months and have been very pleased. Mine is drilled 5x5 box condition and have been able to use this ball on almost everything. On THS the Gargoyle is a monster, but when the heads start to go and there is carrydown put this ball away. I would recommend simple drill patterns for this ball because it may get too over-under with overly aggressive drill patterns. The cover/block combination makes for controlled aggression, and gives excellent read of mids and backends while taking the heads out of play. Even had success on 43ft heavy sport condition due to the midlane read and backend recovery. if there is any backend the pattern length may not matter.

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Re: Gargoyle
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2004, 07:33:29 PM »
Ball Specs
Weight: 15.10#
Top Wt: 2.48 oz.
Pin: 3-4"

Lane condition:  League shot--38 to 40ft dry outside of 7th board

Left ball in out-of-box condition, treated only with Doc's Elixir.  Had this ball drilled 4 X 3--pin over the bridge, CG kicked out 1" on the midline (no weight hole required).  This ball gives me a strong skid/snap reaction on a league shot.  Typically lined up on 25, playing 20 out to 5.  This ball would play through the heads without losing energy in the midlane, reading the backend and making a strong snap at the breakpoint.  This ball would hit the pocket with little to no deflection.  In my experience in using this ball, I have found that it is only susceptible to deflection when it hits carrydown.  Of all the Visionary balls I've thrown, I find this to be the strongest backend reacting ball of them all.  This is an excellent league shot ball when the backends are fresh.  I give this ball a 9 out of 10.  Visionary should NOT be overlooked when choosing a ball for your game.
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Re: Gargoyle
« Reply #39 on: August 12, 2004, 06:56:21 PM »
Specs: 15#, Top wt. 2.98,  pin: 2-3", box 1500 polish surface

I had this ball drilled with a standard house drill layout, pin next to the ring finger, CG under the palm on the centerline of my grip. Nothing exotic at all.

Carry:
I was practicing just last night with it and threw 11 in a row playing fourth arrow to about 7 at the breakpoint, watching it get down the lane and turn left and leave nothing to deal with.  This ball will go longer than the G3 Gryphon with a more sudden move.  This ball carries very well for me due to it's strong reaction and good angle into the pocket.

This is the 2nd Green Gargoyle i have owned and have been pleased with both of them.  If you're looking for a length-flip ball, buy one. Rolls true and will give you a great look without having to sacrifice consistency as it really does not seem to present much over/under in any conditions I have put it through yet. I've used it on a league house shot and PBA pattern B.

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Re: Gargoyle
« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2005, 10:49:00 AM »
First off, thanks to Audric Bent for hooking me up with this one!
Received ball in trade for my Blade solid (which FEDEX lost; sorry Aud), ball was used, but in nice shape. Span was very close, so kept drill, moved thumb up slightly. 3" pin under ring, cg kicked out with small wt. hole. Ball was polished up to 1500, but found that it didn't move enough on the heavier oiled shot put out by my house so took it down to 800. Wow, what a difference! Have used it on a heavy first shift shot playing up the 5 board. Not a hook monster by any means, but not what ball is made for. Still, have used it on this shot as the control and carry of the ball are great. Have had better results on second shift league where I can move into the lane a bit around 15 board. Ball swings nicely and has a controllable snap back to the hole.
This is my first Visionary ball and I'm very happy with it so far. I can see me trying others in the future. Good job Visionary!

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Re: Gargoyle
« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2005, 08:26:30 AM »
Drilled 5.5" at 75 degrees (no balance hole) and left in box finish.

This thing sails through the heads, with only a little oil needed. Not a ball for heavy oil, or a severe wet-dry condition as it can be very over-under.

In comparison to the Violet, the Green Pearl would be about 5 feet longer in the oil, with the same backend reaction. It is a great compliment to any arsenal if you need a go long, flip hard ball. During practise I played around with both of them, and after drying up the track enough so the Violet wanted to stand up early, playing the same line with the Green got the length back down the lane and saved some pop for the pins.

Extremely good looking ball too.... Brought back memories of my old Turbo/C

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Re: Gargoyle
« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2005, 01:03:31 AM »
The Green Gargoyle I drilled is 16lbs 0oz, 3-4" pin out, with 3 oz top. I  drilled it with the pin just under the ring finger, slightly to the right...with the leverage variation on drill specs with the pin selected (hard arc leverage selection).

I wanted to have a go long and flip ball for dry lanes and that is exactly what I got with the Green Gargoyle. I needed something with a polished surface to combat lane conditions I typically face in 2nd set action (especially the third game). I have liked it so much it forced me to drill a Burgundy Gryphon with the same drill pattern. Lets get to the details. I am a tweener with about 15-16 revs and high ball speed (17-18 mph).

I have used it on many conditions - synthetic typical house shots, walled up patterns on synthetic and wood, and sport conditions. As long as I can find some dry this ball will find the pocket and rolls so true and smooth until it reaches its breakpoint. The breakpoint really depends on the condition but typically for me it bellies out at about 34-38 feet and once it makes the turn and rolls over to make its move to the 1-3 pocket....look out because it comes screaming back from wherever it is (especially on medium-dry). This ball is just fantastic when you throw it correctly. When operator error occurs (especially when you pull one inside your target), this ball like nearly all others will leave splits. I notice it more with this ball because I predominately use this ball on dry lanes but the backend creates a vicious strong arc. Based on my observations, I would recommend the Green Gargoyle to virtually anyone looking for a great dry lane ball at a reasonable price.  

As for finish and hit, I continue to polish this baby at least once per month. This ball finishes stronger than balls I have paid a lot more money for and I purchased mine NIB for $60. The Green Gargoyle by Visionary hits extremely hard when you put the ball where it needs to be. Like the other Visionary products I have tried, this ball is a keeper and I have purchased a few of them to keep in storage.

In closing, this is a terrific light oil ball that has major backend, that when complimented with the Blue Gryphon and Burgundy Gryphon creates a very effective three ball arsenal to cover almost everything but the completely bone dry condition you might come across every now and then. For that, consider a Slate Gargoyle, Red Pin Zone Classic, Columbia Super Trooper or Powergroove Dry-R.

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Re: Gargoyle
« Reply #43 on: November 03, 2005, 10:44:14 AM »
Well, I went into the 2 ball tote and pulled out old faithful.   After struggling with this short pattern on my Tuesday night shot, heavy up front, crowned in the middle, then a flood.   For example, shoot 181 first game with the Kong, Go to the New Standard, with a nice smooth action, playing 15 out to 10, would come in light, and if I moved to far I would come in on the nose.  Masterpiece, just did not like the heavy volume up front, skated to far!      Playing right up 10, Greenie would skid and flip!   Beautfiul sight!  10:30 drilling, no leverage hole. Shot 269 3rd Game, moving 2 boards the whole game.  Tugged one into the nose in the 9th.  Never really no why I went away from this ball!   Really got me to rethinking the arsenal!   I have a sneaky feeling that my RS-1 sitting next to it might be calling my name!

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Re: Gargoyle
« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2006, 01:40:52 AM »
Alright, I think I have tested this ball out enough for a review. Specs are in profile. Well first off I bought this ball because so many of you guys like it, and I havent seen any negative feedback for this ball either. Ball came with a 3" pin, and 2.8 oz of top weight. I wanted a ball for dry conditions, but still wanted a big backend, so i drilled it with pin directly above ring finger, with the CG stacked below, well it is too strong for light, but on medium conditions it is a gem, I drilled it leverage thinking thats what I needed do with the low differential, but i guess the cover is extremely strong, because this baby has almost as much backend as my Centaur AMB pearl. I was playing on synthetic lanes, THS, 38 foot, started playing about 20 to 7 at the breakpoint, and the ball stores just enough energy to pop right in the 1-3, not to high, and not to light, thats what I like about it, its very forgiving for me. another masterpiece from visionary, as a matter of fact, i havent tryed one ball i didnt like from visionary. If you dont have a visionary ball I highly suggest you get one, great price, great service.
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Re: Gargoyle
« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2007, 09:49:58 PM »
5" pin, above and right of ring finger, CG in center of hand. Used this ball in last game when shot had dried up. Went so long it scared me! Turned left and sent pins flying everywhere. Carries light hits, flush and even gets the 4 to trip out on hits that I never carried before. This ball replaces my Columbia Pro Hook which was a great ball for burnt conditions. This is even better! I'm loving my Visionary equipment.
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