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Immortal Solid
« on: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »
Ball NPS Score: 100.00
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Finish:  1000 Matte
Hardness:  75-77
RG:  Low (2.51")
Flare:  Ex. High (.078" differential)  6-9" flare
This ball was approved before the latest rule changes and is much higher than the new USBC limits of .060"

Avail. Wts:  13-16# (AMB - IMMORTAL core)
10-12# (on request - light wt. core)
Lane Conditions:  Med-Heavy Oil
Color:  Yellow/Black  
Coverstock:  Reactive Solid




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. ..The AMB-IMMORTAL is the latest adaptation of our highly successful Anti-Mass Bias core design. Unlike other balls which use dense materials to create a mass bias, the AMB design utilizes an extremely light cap opposite the desired mass bias location. This AMB flip cap creates a negative mass bias on the side with the cap and also creates a positive mass bias at the desired location. This allows the bowler to drill the ball in just about any possible manner, without affecting the core shape or dynamics.




         The AMB-IMMORTAL core has a heavy cap added to the bottom of the core.  This allows the density of the top cap to be increased significantly.  The result is a core that produces an extreme flare potential with it''s 0.078" differential (This ball was grandfathered in before the USBC changes and is currently higher than any new ball can be produced - BUT it is legal for use in all USBC competition because of when it was approved).



To Layout the AMB-IMMORTAL  properly, you must first mark the "Virtual Mass Bias" by drawing a line from the 1/4" locator pin on the backside, through the 1/2" white flip pin around the ball. Mark an "x"180 degrees from the AMB pin (13 1/2" from the AMB pin which puts the "x" 6 3/4" from the black pin. This Virtual Mass Bias point can then be treated using the same general rules that apply to other typical mass bias spots.


*** By using the AMB cap to create an Anti-Mass Bias (negative mass bias on the back side) it allows the ball to have a lower RG than the original DC core while maintaining a high differential. It also helps maintain more of the core dynamics for most drillings. In the case with most strong Mass bias balls, when drilling the thumb - you remove a large portion of the heavy core or cap used to create the bias, resulting in less of the core''s original dynamics. BUT, with the AMB core, you drill into lighter coverstock and save almost all of the original core shape - retaining the true reaction originally designed by the core. ***




 

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Re: Immortal Solid
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2006, 08:12:46 AM »
This ball is more than living up to it's expectations.

A massive ball for those with little hand, perhaps too big for those who give the ball some work - particularly on house shots. Some kind of cover adjustment may be necessary, but it handles those very well.

I have seen one of Australia's biggest shot players take his up to 4000 Abralon and still go consistently high on a PBA tournament pattern used at the Australian nationals last month, such is it's flare, strength and aggression.

Anyone looking for something to give them the extra power into the pocket, look no further. Pin carry and meesenergs abound if you go in light, Flush the pocket and watch them disappear like with no other.

We can not keep up with supply such is their popularity.
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Re: Immortal Solid
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2007, 04:03:49 PM »
drilled this ball up just like my immortal pearl with a 5 inch pin to pap. modified the surface with brunswick rough buff and brunswick factory finish polish. this ball with this drilling and coverstock prep works great as 1-2 punch with the immortal pearl. ball is strong off of the dry and will handle carry down with ease as the the lanes break down. the immortal solid works great until it just breaks too much or starts to burn up, switch to the immortal pearl and swing away. you will love the carry of the two balls.
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Re: Immortal Solid
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2007, 08:33:58 PM »
Got my ball redrilled, found out that my ball was drilled incorrectly, now that i have delt with that problem, the ball now hooks like a dream, after the redrill, 268, 266, 9 strikes in a row 2 games in a row, i was very pleased with this ball.

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Re: Immortal Solid
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2007, 02:58:59 PM »
Information about the tester:
16-18 MPH
375-425 RPM
Power Player
PAP – 5 1/8” over, 1” up

Visionary Immortal Solid
Pin – 3”
Top Weight – 2.86 oz.
Surface – OOB 1000 matte finish

Drilled – 4.5” from PIN to PAP, PIN above and to the right of ring, MB left of thumb, CG in palm

Conditions –

1.  Modified Shark

The ball did not work quite as well as I hoped.  I was not getting the entry angle through the box finish, so I am going to polish it to get the right roll at my breakpoint.  It seemed to roll out at the breakpoint and did not work.  I am going to test it at 2000 Polish to see if it will work.  My assumption at first was that this was just a long oil pattern with less units of oil, and an out of bounce at 8 board, but watching others use strong balls such as the Columbia Resurgence, I am skeptical on the amount of oil provided for the pattern.

2.  Chameleon

I used this ball for a few games in polished condition, and it gave me the most room for error.  I used everything in my arsenal for this pattern, but this ball gave me a consistent roll at my breakpoint and a little more room for error.  I had a lot of continuation through the pocket with this ball.  I only threw it for about a game or two, but I feel it is a ball for the first few games in score before I switch to something a little more aggressive on the backend when it breaks down.

3.  THS (36-38 ft.)

This would not work for our house conditions, as my house has light oil for this length.  I could probably throw it for four or five balls, at a deep line (5th to 6th arrow), but its cover is too aggressive in the OOB condition.  I am not going to polish this one up to make it work for our house conditions, since I am going to use a Immortal Pearl and my SS Ogre playing a similar line.  This ball would roll out for me after 35 feet burning all it’s energy in the heads and mids.  The only way I would use this ball on this condition is if I was playing a straight trajectory with little hand and an end-over-end roll.  The ball is designed for oil, so I will leave it to only shots with the length and amount of oil needed for this ball to shine.  I will only polish it if the PBA patterns require it.

About two months later:  I have been thinking quite a bit on how this ball would work.  If I am going to a place with a very heavy oiled wall, this ball would be great to play deep inside lines and ride the oil.  It would have to be polished as well, although a tweener or stroker would probably use it in box condition.  It is still too strong for me to use on a typical house shot though, and I could use the Immortal Pearl in a deep line or play further outside with the SS Ogre.  

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Re: Immortal Solid
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2008, 06:33:16 PM »
Used the SOLID for two games before I lost carry. Started at 12 to 10 up the back of the ball. began moving left and adding side rotation as evening progressed. Solid was very consistant and adjustments were easy to read. When angle and rotation adjustments ran out, tried speed, but continued to leave 9 pins as ball just drove harder. Excellent choice as long as there is oil to get the ball to the break point. This was the 2nd time out for this ball, but first try had too low of oil volume to get down lane.
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Re: Immortal Solid
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2008, 06:34:23 PM »
Right handed
4 step approach
Mark w/ right foot
Cranker
very high track
16-17mph
Ball:
14.15lbs
3.48 top weight
3 in pin out
factory surface
pin above/inside ring finger

When I first purchased this ball, I had intended to only use it on very heavy oiled lanes. But after bowling with it, it is the first ball out of my bag.  Averaging 212 with it in 3 leagues. typically I start 10 boards left of center and throw over board 15 swinging out to board 7. ball takes abrupt left turn and retains plenty of energy as it enters pocket. this line gives me a great angle to the pocket and excellent pin action plus this ball hits like a tank.  
i have bowled my best series to date at 774, and have been scoring very well with it this season. i would recommend this ball to anyone who needs a ball for med/heavy oiled lanes.

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Re: Immortal Solid
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2008, 01:20:31 PM »




 This is my favorite ball so far from the visionary line. Once I learned what part on the lane I could use it one, I was hooked. I had this one drilled for med/heavy oil. The first couple of times I was not impressed with the roll and carry. I made an adjustment in how I delivered the and man this ball turned from a sissy to a monster. The solid gives me great length and serious backend. This is the first ball I use out of my bag. The only dislike I have is carry down. The ball didn't carry pins as well, even when I made feet and hand adjustment. I will probably have another one drilled a little stronger and see what happens. I love this one Visionary.
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Re: Immortal Solid
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2009, 05:50:22 PM »
When the lanes are oily this is the first ball out of the bag.  This ball grabs the lane and has a controllable hook.  This ball destroys the pins when it hits.  Overall great ball.

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Re: Immortal Solid
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2010, 08:26:08 PM »
Well well, The immortal solid. This ball I had drill with the pin 4 1/2 inches from pap, and the cg in the strong and a double thumb weight hole. I was very surprised by the length it has! A long arcing ball. sometimes too long. I have fooled around with the cover on this one, tried 1000 grit, then polished, then i tried the scot-brite combo, then last night i went with the green scot-brite alone! I like that one the best! I have shot with ball games of 207,207, and 198, and another 30 clean frames! And it also helped me at the bluegrass state games to qualify!, and helped me to average 213 in the summer league! If you could get your hands on one PLEASE get one!

08/09/2010-just fooling around today, I just wanted to see what this ball could do! Standing 36 and got the ball on 18 out to the 2 board,(I thought it was going into the gutter) this ball burst to the left and crushed the pocket! My son had to pick his jaw up off the floor.--------------------
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Re: Immortal Solid
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2010, 12:12:19 PM »
Immortal Solid
Right Hand
Down and In (Between 5 and 10 Board)
18 MPH Revs 300
Stand Right-Left foot on middle dot

This is the 5th season bowling with this ball.  This is my primary ball at 3 different bowling centers. I went thru many coverstock changes from dull to polished, until i found the right one 1500 sanded. I had the ball drilled early roll (1000 matted) out of the box.  Not knowing drilling an early roll layout will usually lose energize at the backend. Had alot of 5 pins, but adjusted.  When I first got the ball i did not have much revs and my speed was about 15mph.

With practice this summer I developed more revs and a comfortable speed (18mph). At 1500 sanded, THS synthetics, fresh oil, down and in, if the ball hits light move right at the approach and angle in from same mark on the lanes.
Once the lanes start to break down 4 pins I move left of the middle dot on the approach and throw out between the second a third arrow. 10 pins, adjustment time. Series 625, 685, 695, the last 3 league nights.  

Ball does soak up oil, keep and eye on the cover stock.
Great for slower speeds out of the box 1000matted

Gave an Immortal Solid to a pro shop buddy, never bowled visionary.  He has a ton of revs and speed, a lefty.  Need to ask him how he lay-out the drill for him, he keeps the ball highly polished and uses the ball when the lanes break down.  loves it, still won't bowl Visionary.

Immortal Solid (Early roll 1500 sanded)
Centuar AMB Solid (Pin under ring finger polished)
Ogre SS (Rico Drill)experimenting, will post

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Re: Immortal Solid
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2011, 09:03:15 AM »
LANE CONDITION











Length:   40-42


 


Volume:  3-1 ratio



Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):  ths, christmas tree, from 1-8th board dry, and more oil in the middle



 






COMMENTS









Likes: I recieved this ball from e-bay, tried to used it, it went "WAY" long, the grip didn't fit me. After a plug and redrill, to a proper fit, without any practice, didn't shoot at all. I tried to helped this ball to much! Then after much needed practice, and after a team mates help, I went to a simple release, and boy did this ball come to life! The next week standing 22 rolling out to 8-7, the ball kept pounding the pocket strike after strike. Shot 221,221,234-676! Everybody was wondering just who I was! Yesterday rolling the same, shot 223,234,219, for another 676! Amazing ball, just kept rolling up to the pocket, must be because of the core. The ABM core is to me one of the best! This ball I had my favorite drill put on it(Just because) like my ogre solid, centaur solid, the pin is next to the ring finger, and the cg, is about an 1" to the right of that maybe a rev leverage drilling...dual angel thing! with a weight hole, about an inch below my thumb, and to the right! Now I've polished the centaur solid, and have it on standby, in case I get to boxed in by the conditions! So thank's to Visionary for making this wonderful equipment....My anchor commented, that I was the set-up man! It feels good knowning that when we need a strike...I'm the HAMMER!
 

Update: The last two weeks of the winter league Shot games of, 235,184,288=707. Then had games of 212,183,255=650, and finished that league with a 205 average! Using all visionary equipment!

 

update: 5-2-11, started a summer youth/adult league! Pulled out the immortal Solid and shot 279,205 7-10 in the 10th frame! and finished with a 252 with the front 7! 29 out of 30 closed frames, and all shot with the immortal! What a ball, what great equipment!




Dislikes:  the only dislike that I have maybe two, is the cover gets a little shiny from use! And that this equipment isn't used on the tour! It's too bad that they can't used this core in any newer stuff!




 





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Edited on 5/3/2011 at 6:51 AM