Author Topic: 5 ball lineup VBP (Read 2349 times)

Kendox · « **on:** June 06, 2009, 05:12:29 AM »

Hi Guys,

I'm a short time reader of this board and now hopefully a good poster. I need to say, that I'm a german bowler and we always struggle with dry and open lanes. But this ball lineup should match up to good oiled lanes on the european tour. After my last C.A.T.S. training-stats i got ~400-450 rpm and 29 km/h (~18 mp/h) at my release. Maybe i got a little bit slower after a couple of month of training. My favorite breakpoint is the 8. arrow, but i am a area player, so no constant target at the front-arrows.

I like to build up a 5 ball lineup of VBP-Balls. At this moment I only got a Ogre Solid drilled 5x3 without extra hole. This ball has a couple 100 games on it and is my ball for medium to dry lanes.

Now here we go with my own theory of balls:

-Immortal Solid with 4x4 and a small extra hole in the thumb area.
-> this ball should be the ball for flooded lanes

-Gladiator Solid with 5x3 without extra hole (same layout as the ogre solid - this is my favorite layout)
-> should fit between my benchmark and the most aggressive ball

-Immortal Pearl with the same layout like the Immortal Solid
-> as benchmark ball

-Ogre Solid (above)

-Ogre Pearl with Rico-Layout without extra hole
-> the ball for broken lanes

Now I need some advice from you people who got some experience with VBP-Balls.

Thanks for all comments.

Krumpy300 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 06, 2009, 08:17:05 PM »

Be careful with those PAP distances on the Immortals. Jason has said you want to add an inch to the distance to be safe. They can flare out in a hurry.

You may want to consider a Blue Green Centaur for dry conditions, great ball.

Keep us posted

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Mvpbowler · « **Reply #2 on:** June 06, 2009, 08:28:54 PM »

Kendox,

You might also want to read into the Rico layout a little bit more before you put it on an Ogre Pearl. Rico layouts make the ball start up sooner and be fairly smoother overall. You don't generally want Rico layouts for drier lanes. Usually it will blend out over/under.

You might also want to look into a G3 Gryphon. Ball clears the heads pretty good and has pretty good backend.
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lenstanles703 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 06, 2009, 08:36:25 PM »

VBP just came out with a Urethane Ogre for dry lanes. Don't over look the Particle Ogre for floods.
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Shaggy · « **Reply #4 on:** June 06, 2009, 09:08:08 PM »

Kendox,

I sent you a message.

I agree with Krumpy300 "Be careful with those PAP distances on the Immortals." I would consult with Jason at Visionary regarding the drilling.

Visionary makes great equipment and their customer service is exceptional

Shaggy
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rustylegacy · « **Reply #5 on:** June 06, 2009, 10:40:59 PM »

If you dont have low revs or super high speed, do not put a 4" drill on an Immortal.

Nor Cal Bowler · « **Reply #6 on:** June 07, 2009, 12:55:46 AM »

Honestly I would stay away from the Immortals, because those seem to be very touchy. Mine is drilled 5x5 (solid) and can't use it around here.

I would go the following...

New Breed Solid or Gladiator Solid- Both balls have strong covers and cores. The NBS has a higher RG.

New Breed Pearl or Gladiator Pearl- The NBS has a really strong cover for a pearl ball. Gladiator Pearl is a nice rolling ball too, so both have their places.

Ogre Solid- Already has a place in your bag...

Ogre Pearl- Really nice ball and a good bang for your buck!

Ogre Urethane- You need to have a ball in your bag for when the lanes are fried!
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GuyGood · « **Reply #7 on:** June 07, 2009, 07:28:57 AM »

What do the others think about the Immortal Pearl as a benchmark-ball?
For what I thought, a benchmark ball is a medium differential ball for medium oil, often with a solid cover? Don't know if there is any definition of "benchmark ball". I would say that maybe the Ogre Solid or Gladiator Solid could be pretty nice benchmark balls. What do the others think about that?

What about the dry lane ball? Nobody mentioned the OgreSS. And also the new Ogre Urethane? How would both of the balls compare? As for the dry lane ball, I would agree with Nor Cal Bowler that you would need a ball for really dry lanes and I don't think that the Ogre Pearl is the best ball for such conditions.

Besides, because of the Ogre Pearl begin pretty smooth (at least for me) there would be no point in using a Rico-Layout for that ball.
Maybe some others can give their input about this, too?

I would suggest the following line-up:

New Breed Solid/Immortal Solid both @box finish for heavy oil /maybe also the Particle Ogre?
Gladiator Solid with your favorite drilling as you said.
Ogre Solid at about 2000 abralon (not the heavily sanded box finish^^) (as benchmark)

I don't have any of this balls, maybe this categorization is not correct or too close together.

Ogre Pearl @box for more length and some nice pop on med/drier lanes when the Solid Ogre starts up too soon
Ogre Urethane/SS Ogre for really dry lanes with a long layout..5 1/2 pin distance for example?

scotts33 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 07, 2009, 08:27:53 AM »

First.....what is a benchmark ball? To me it's middle of the road ball.....a solid reactive ball first out of the bag to read the lane condition generally laid out 60 deg 4 x 4 pin next to or below the pin for an arc reaction on fresh without the over reaction you might get with a snappy reaction. For me that's the Solid Gladiator.

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What do the others think about the Immortal Pearl as a benchmark-ball?

Too much ball for a benchmark. See above.

I like NorCal's suggestions. Don't undersell the Ogre line with your high rev rate you don't need all the built in rev/flare you get with the Immortals. I'd shelve them.

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Kendox · « **Reply #9 on:** June 07, 2009, 03:22:47 PM »

ok guys thanks for your input.
i'm starting to get away from my idea of the immortal balls, because my rev-rate is enough for a ball like the new breed solid.
and thanks to all of you who send me a pm and inspired me as well.

i like the idea of the gladiator solid becoming my benchmark ball, drilled with the layout from above.
as second ball i take my ogre solid for medium to medium-dry lanes.

now i need to know how good the following balls would compare to these two balls.

- Ogre Pearl for dry lanes ?
- Ogre SS or Ogre Urethane for toasted lanes?
- G3 Gryphon as an equal to the benchmark gladiator solid, if i need a ball with a stronger backend reaction?
- Gladiator Pearl - how could this ball fit in my arsenal?
- AMB Centaur Solid or Immortal Solid as heavy ball - which of them would be the better choice?
- New Breed solid and pearl - would these balls fit in my arsenal?

keep in mind i my arsenal is a set of 6 balls and i already have an Ogre solid. so i start with buying 5 vbp balls...

I_Bowl4Money · « **Reply #10 on:** June 08, 2009, 10:37:32 AM »

Kendox,

I would agree that you may want to stay away from the Immortals with such a high rev rate. In dealing with higher rev players, the layouts become extremely touchy and you're very limited with layouts and conditions.

Heavy Oil - New Breed Solid or Frankie May (you will need to be careful with these balls if you need a weight hole, because of the flare potential it is possible to flare over the x-hole).

Medium - New Breed Pearl

Medium/Light - Ogre Pearl and/or Ogre Solid (pin down)

Light - G-3
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Nor Cal Bowler · « **Reply #11 on:** June 08, 2009, 12:51:33 PM »

You know honestly with your speed and stats you couldn't go wrong with all 5 Ogres (Particle, Solid, Pearl, SS, Urethane) and add a pearl (Gladiator, New Breed, or a Immortal with the right layout) You don't need an over powering solid with your stats if you want your whole arsenal usable 80-90% of the time.
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Oskuposer · « **Reply #12 on:** June 08, 2009, 02:55:14 PM »

For heavier patterns either the Frankie may or the New Breed Solid
For medium with or without carrydown either the gladiator solid with polish or a g3 with a little bit of the polish scuffed off
The G3 gets into a roll even if there is some oil out there.
Dry lanes Blue Green Centaur or Ogre Urethane. The ogre pearl is one of the smoothest pearls i have ever thrown think of the ball as a particle pearl but without the particle. Rico on that would not be a good idea. Now rico on an ogre ss would be interesting as the cover would let it get down the lane and the layout would help it smoothen out it's break point.
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