Post by: The Illustrious One on August 09, 2005, 07:36:47 AM
http://www.visionarybowling.com
Matthew P. Klein
Visionary Test Staff Member
Post by: VBPadvertising on August 09, 2005, 10:32:49 PM
I just noticed your post and wanted to congratulate you on your latest 300. I guess that you still like your Violet Gargoyle. It's pretty impressive that you had never shot a 300 prior to getting it, and have shot 3 in a matter of four months. Keep up the great bowling and I hope to see more from you.
Jason Wonders
Visionary Bowling Products
Post by: imjouster on August 10, 2005, 12:25:45 AM
Jeremy
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"Strive to be perfect, that is afterall the only way to become perfect."
Conversation between me and my girlfriend.
Her(what I hear):Blah blah blah blah blah BOWLING blah blah.
Me: What did you say about bowling?
Her: I didn't say bowling I said, DRIVING, I'm tired of driving.
Me: Ohhh. Nevermind.
Proud user of Columbia 300 and Visionary Bowling Products
Post by: VBPadvertising on August 10, 2005, 12:34:17 AM
Yes, this ball is USBC approved. All of the balls that we have in our current line, plus a couple still to come have been approved and grandfathered in prior to the rule change.
Thanks again,
Jason Wonders
Visionary Bowling Products
Post by: imjouster on August 10, 2005, 01:47:08 AM
Jeremy
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"Strive to be perfect, that is afterall the only way to become perfect."
Conversation between me and my girlfriend.
Her(what I hear):Blah blah blah blah blah BOWLING blah blah.
Me: What did you say about bowling?
Her: I didn't say bowling I said, DRIVING, I'm tired of driving.
Me: Ohhh. Nevermind.
Proud user of Columbia 300 and Visionary Bowling Products
Post by: Raven829 on August 10, 2005, 03:34:11 AM
Don
Post by: The Illustrious One on August 10, 2005, 07:50:50 AM
Thanks! That Violet Gargoyle is just a beast on the lanes, it compliments my game perfectly. Never had a ball like that. Ordering another one, too, you'll be seeing more from me.....guarantee it!!!! =p
Matthew P. Klein
Visionary Test Staff Member
P.S. Don, I think for Test Staff the AMB Solid is available in the next weeks, not sure if it'll be available to the public at the same time.
Edited on 8/10/2005 7:44 AM
Post by: scotts33 on August 10, 2005, 10:50:14 AM
What's the difference between the Frankie May and the AMB Solid? Differential <.062 vs .056> slightly higher and the finish <400 to 1000> is what I see. Is the reaction close or ????
Thanks,
Scott
BTW--Matthew nice shooting with your Violet. My best series last year was also shot with a Violet <105 deg. layout> 793. Love that ball.
Post by: DP3 on August 10, 2005, 11:23:34 AM
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Post by: Raven829 on August 10, 2005, 03:29:54 PM
Don
Post by: charlest on August 10, 2005, 04:28:56 PM
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Just to let everyone know, this ball was reviewed in this month's BJI. They really liked the ball, but said that it was very skid-snappish. They also said that it is a great top hat/medium ball, but that one may need to tighten up on heavier/longer patterns. I would have thought that it would be similar to perhaps an Ultimate Inferno.
Don
They also said that both it and the Track Arsenal Reactive were for medium-light oil in their out-of-the-box surface. I don't that's correct for anyone. So it makes me wonder about those reviews in this month's BJI. Were they really written by Mike???
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Bowling: Just like hand grenades and horse shoes, you only have to get close.
Life: Deal with what is.
Post by: charlest on August 10, 2005, 04:31:06 PM
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Jason and all,
What's the difference between the Frankie May and the AMB Solid? Differential <.062 vs .056> slightly higher and the finish <400 to 1000> is what I see. Is the reaction close or ????
Thanks,
Scott
Totally different core. Don't look at the numbers in isolation; look at the core picture. Also the AMB has an asymmetric core of what appears to be a high mass bias differential. That is, in part, why it is more flippy.
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Bowling: Just like hand grenades and horse shoes, you only have to get close.
Life: Deal with what is.
Post by: livespive on August 10, 2005, 11:33:54 PM
Just seen this post and was wondering how this ball compares to the
DC Tour?
I likes the DC Tour and actually still have one NIB,
but I may try this one out to find a replacement for my Executioners
BTW
Has the charcoal been discontinued yet?
Thanks
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Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
Visionary Test Staff Member
http://www.visionarybowling.com
http://www.maysbowlingandbilliards.com
Post by: VBPadvertising on August 11, 2005, 06:59:10 PM
I will try to answer all the questions asked, but if I miss something, please don't hesitate to ask again.
Jeremy - does Visionary plan on putting out any drier lane/lower end balls in the near future (say 6 months). Or are the Gargoyles basically going to be your "low end" ball?
At the present time we don't have any mid-priced balls in the works. For the time being, the Gargoyle line is our least expensive balls, and will probably remain in our line as long as they continue to sell well.
Don - is there a certain date that's been targeted yet?
The release date for the AMB Solid has been set for August 19th. Just a little over a week away.
Scott - What's the difference between the Frankie May and the AMB Solid? Differential <.062 vs .056> slightly higher and the finish <400 to 1000> is what I see. Is the reaction close or ????
The release of these two balls back to back may confuse a few people slightly due to the coverstock preperations. With both in box condition, the AMB Solid will go longer and have more angle to the pocket than the FMay Gryphon. (keep in mind that we describe backend #'s as a combination of angle and continuation through the pocket) However, if you finish both balls the same, the AMB Solid will start up a little sooner and be a little stronger overall. Essentially, if both balls have the same surface, the AMB will allow strokers get more ball reaction than with the Frankie May Gryphon.
DP3 - Is this ball what was formerly called the "Immortal AMB" on the approved list?
No, the Immortals are still to come.
Eric - Just seen this post and was wondering how this ball compares to the
DC Tour?
I would have to say that this is the big brother to the DC Tour. The coverstock is stronger and handles carrydown better. The core is also a little stronger, and more user friendly. When drilled wrong, or into the heavy cap on the side of the DC Core, you could lose some of the dynamics of the core. This could create a loss in reaction, or cause it to roll out for some bowlers. With the AMB design, the driller is less likely to remove portions of the core, and should not affect the dynamics nearly as much.
Thanks again for everyones support,
Jason Wonders
Visionary Bowling Products
Post by: Raven829 on August 11, 2005, 07:08:00 PM
Don
Post by: imjouster on August 11, 2005, 09:37:56 PM
Jeremy
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"Strive to be perfect, that is afterall the only way to become perfect."
Conversation between me and my girlfriend.
Her(what I hear):Blah blah blah blah blah BOWLING blah blah.
Me: What did you say about bowling?
Her: I didn't say bowling I said, DRIVING, I'm tired of driving.
Me: Ohhh. Nevermind.
Proud user of Columbia 300 and Visionary Bowling Products
Post by: shelley on August 11, 2005, 10:03:04 PM
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When drilled wrong, or into the heavy cap on the side of the DC Core, you could lose some of the dynamics of the core. This could create a loss in reaction, or cause it to roll out for some bowlers. With the AMB design, the driller is less likely to remove portions of the core, and should not affect the dynamics nearly as much.
I notice that the drilling instructions for the AMB balls say to draw a line through the pin from the AMB, call that spot 13.5" from the AMB the "mass bias", and drill it like any asymmetric ball. Why do you mark the anti-mass bias and not the mass bias? I know that the AMB is due to the core design and that's actually where the cap is located, but why not simplify the drilling and just mark the MB, even if it is just for show? Is it because of the locator pin?
SH
Post by: livespive on August 12, 2005, 03:51:38 AM
I will have to try one out.
It look like I may have found a replacement for the Charcoal as the
DC Tour was my #2 ball.
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Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
Visionary Test Staff Member
http://www.visionarybowling.com
http://www.maysbowlingandbilliards.com
Post by: VBPadvertising on August 15, 2005, 09:47:17 PM
Sorry it took so long to respond, but I completely missed your question. From what we have seen, most pro shops simply want to see the shape of the core, and know how the core is laying inside the ball. By marking the AMB cap with the locator pin, they can look at the image of the core and determine exactly how the core is positioned and drill the ball accordingly.
The VMB (virtual mass bias) is simply the spot on the ball directly opposite the AMB Cap. This spot is typically where a heavy cap would be located in order to create the same dynamic effect. It's a little hard to explain, but essentially, you get the same dynamic effect by removing weight from one side as you do by adding weight to the other. Obviously there are other details that have to be considered such as core, cap, and wrap densities in order to get the correct topweights, pin positions and total weights, but that is another topic.
Another small factor is that the ball already has three logos, the CG location with the Serial Number, a flip cap pin and a locator pin. The ball was already getting a little busy and confusing, and our understanding is that most pro shops would just prefer to have the locator pin showing the cap location.
Hope this helps, if not I can try to go into a little more detail,
Jason Wonders
Visionary Bowling Products
Post by: shelley on August 19, 2005, 09:10:17 AM
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Hi Shelley,
Sorry it took so long to respond, but I completely missed your question.
Thanks for the response.
SH
Post by: scotts33 on August 19, 2005, 10:29:17 AM
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I don't think it was the fault of the ball that I could not match up to but rather the kind of vague drilling directions and projected reaction's that seem to be aimed at medium to higher track player's, is there any optional drilling info for your ball's that are designed for the Low track players as is the case with Morich? Have you by chance seen these Low Track drillings on the Morich site? I use Morich/Brunswick and these ball's read and react closely to the drilling directions for me, is there a specific amount of drillings that I can use for low track (4 1/4 PAP)?
I'd be interested also as my PAP is 4 7/8" over 1/2" up.
Scott
Post by: Blindstag on August 29, 2005, 04:47:13 AM
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