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Lillen

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AMB Solid vs Gladiator Solid
« on: June 22, 2008, 05:26:08 PM »
If any of you "Visionaries" has rolled both, could you tell me if they're close in reaction when using the same layout on both balls?

Asking because I have a AMB Solid but I'm curious about the Gladiator Solid..




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Re: AMB Solid vs Gladiator Solid
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2008, 11:24:02 AM »
I have both balls and I can tell you than the AMB Solid reads the midlane a little earlier than the Gladiator. The Gladiator pushes down the lane a little further but it is much stronger on the backends than the AMB Solid.
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Lillen

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Re: AMB Solid vs Gladiator Solid
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2008, 12:19:29 PM »
Thanks for reply, don't want them to overlap each other if I get a Gladiator Solid..  

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rustylegacy

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Re: AMB Solid vs Gladiator Solid
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2008, 12:54:44 PM »
Ive found the exact opposite, my centaur doesnt get alot a midlane but has a huge backend. My gladiator hooks alot midlane and then gets a nice arc to the pocket in the back. They are drilled very differant though, maybe with a more similar drill they would react closer.
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Re: AMB Solid vs Gladiator Solid
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2008, 12:46:52 PM »
I thought that the AMB solid would be a little stronger as it's supposed to read a little earlier from what I remember in my conversations with Jason.  I see the same reaction for my Gladiator that Vito sees....a much longer push with a strong backend.

Now, depending on the drill and the cover, I could see different things happening as well as it depending on how the person throws of course.

I would not have them drilled similar though otherwise you'll get that overlap that you are wanting to avoid.
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Re: AMB Solid vs Gladiator Solid
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2008, 01:01:17 PM »
Depends on your stats., layout, ball surface and above ALL what lane condition you are playing on.  

What is for one may not be for another.  YMMV a lot!  

Basically why comparisons are a shot in the dark IMO.


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Re: AMB Solid vs Gladiator Solid
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2008, 01:46:53 PM »
I'm pretty sure that Jason had said that the Gladiator cover is stronger, grippier than the one on the AMB solid. If that is true (if I remembered correctly), then with the AMB having more flare, depending on the drilling, and the bowler's hand, the AMB could be earlier or later, with more or less backend.

It's very difficult comparing different coverstocks with different cores, even with the same bowler throwing both.

Here's an irony or a sarcasm, depending on how you look at it. The AMB solid is finished 1000 grit. The Gladiator is finished 2000 grit Abralon. Since we've just learned that the grit numbers on Abralon pads are "P" based, that is the European scale, (Someone here verified this by sending an email to Mirka, the manufacturer and designer of Abralon pads.) these 2 balls technically have the same grit level, since "P2000" is equivalent to 1000 grit US scale. Fascinating.

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Re: AMB Solid vs Gladiator Solid
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2008, 02:38:03 PM »
Im going to try my comparison again, I put both balls at 2000 abralon. As far as drilling, the Glad pin is above and to the right of the ring with the cg moved pretty far to the right. It should be approx a 3-3/4 x 2 with a hole at the very tip of the mohawk (you can see the tip in the hole)which explains the earlier roll. The AMB pin over bridge with the AMB next to the thumb about 1-1/2 over to the right approx 4.5 x 6, no hole. My track is very large diameter (12.5") which might explain why the AMB goes further and then goes hard left, not quite skid/snap but skid/HARD arc. The other thing I have to mention is bowl synthetics all winter, but have been practing on old wood this summer. I can see a differance in the midlane of the AMB, it does pick up sooner than on the synthetics.(Im also not the best bowler out there)
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Re: AMB Solid vs Gladiator Solid
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2008, 02:48:50 PM »
Here's two pics of my AMB Solid:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/Nellil/AMB_Solid_01.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/Nellil/AMB_Solid_02.jpg

Not 100% sure what type of layout is on the ball but Jason called it a control layout..

Thinking of re-drilling it either 4x4MB (2 1/2" Pin buffer) or 5x3MB (2" Pin buffer)

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Re: AMB Solid vs Gladiator Solid
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2008, 07:06:03 AM »
Lillen,

Trying to understand what you are looking for????  Do you want to use both balls or fix the AMB Solid to roll/read the pattern differently?

From looking at the pics you have a arc type drilling with an arc type ball.  Flare seperation is large.  In comparison to a Solid Glad you'll get less flare with the Glad and IF drilled with the same type of drilling flare lines should be tighter and less.....I'd guess say 3" to 4" vs. lots more with the AMB Solid.  AMB Solid will hook more on clean backends than the Glad. Just as my Cell did vs. the Solid Glad.  Glad I can play straighter with a smoother reaction on the backend.....but again that's me your mileage may vary.  


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Re: AMB Solid vs Gladiator Solid
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2008, 10:22:24 AM »
scotts33 - Thanks for your input, after reading your post I've changed my mind and I'm keeping the AMB Solid as it is...  

Sorry if I was a bit confusing..  

Putting the Gladiator Solid on hold for now, might get one in the future..


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Re: AMB Solid vs Gladiator Solid
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2008, 10:47:26 AM »
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Lillen

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Re: AMB Solid vs Gladiator Solid
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2008, 11:01:00 AM »
Rusty - What grit is the finish on your AMB? Polished?
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Re: AMB Solid vs Gladiator Solid
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2008, 11:57:43 AM »
Both are at 2000abr. I normally keep it 1000 grit wet sandpaper. Just want to test out what Charlest was saying about the "P" rating of the abralon. Im guessing the ball movement will be almost the same. I was actually thinking of dropping the Glad down to 1000 when I read this the other day and decided to hold off on that idea. Im going to practice tonight, Ill come back with my "results".
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Re: AMB Solid vs Gladiator Solid
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2008, 12:26:09 PM »
So last night was QUITE dry. Not a great condition for a test but as long as I chased the oil line it wasnt too bad. Im sticking to my story, AMB pushes through the midlane and the Glad reads its. Overall hook is pretty close so I guess the shape of the hook should be the deciding factor. I also brought my Levrg to try but it definately burnt up.
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