I am thinking about getting a ball that will give me a little more help than the Crossover and Ogre Solid on carrydown and longer patterns.  VBP has some AMB stuff NIB still available.  For those that had the Immortal and/or AMB Solid, can you give a good comparison between these balls?  Is the cover on the AMBs weaker, stronger, or similar in handling oil as compared to the Crossover and Ogre Solid?  For the record, me and the Spartan are not getting along.  For the first time this year, the Crossover was having a hard time reading the backend the other night. 

No didnt spin it, i just drew a line from AMB threw PIN & CG then marked the VMB

i understand completely about the AMB cores, however my crossover & spartan have the same layout 4.5 pin to pap , pin high and they never seem to quit. do i think they are as strong as some of the other balls out today. No but they are not that far behind. I would love to see a new stronger cover when the Mix Breed line comes out.

 

I drilled the AMB centaur after talking to jason and placed the pin 5.5 from pap. not a good choose it didnt do much for me compaired to my crossover & spartan that was covering the whole lane. Not sure what it was dying, Jason too is confused about that. i am plugging and gonna try adifferent layout for the heck of it.

 

I'll argue unless you can spin them you don't know where the PSA is on these balls.  I know, I had spun both Spartan ( you won't believe where that PSA is) and Crossover.  Your drilling angles are way off on these balls and you guys don't know it unless you spin them.  JMO.
 

here is the AMB, i changed the surface before i do a whole plug and redrill

 

Edited by getuaload on 2/14/2011 at 9:42 AM

That Crossover looks like it would hook good. Mine is drilled almost like yours.

I have a question about the AMB. Is the little pin the lightest cap? And wouldn't that make the VMB 2" right of the thumb hole? Isn't the pin a little too far from your PAP?

My G. Pearl has the pin 1.5" above the bridge, 6" to PAP,  with the cg mark about 25* right.  1" above my grip midline. In theory, the MB should be around P3. I didn't spin it on a determinator. It gets down the lane and when it hits some friction, makes a turn, not an arc.

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Edited by ch_flash on 2/14/2011 at 8:50 AM

Scott, It doesn't matter to me. It works!

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The issue I see off the bat with the AMB is the pin placement and where the weight hole is located.  How much top weight did that ball have?  Reason I ask is because that weight hole looks like it has some size to it.  Usually a weight hole up by the fingers helps to delay the backend reaction. 

 

My suggestion if you are plugging it:  Put the pin above your fingers but not as high as the Crossover in order to lower the cg closer to your midline.  I would put the pin about 1/2 lower than what your Crossover shows, kick the cg/MB out around 65 degrees, which should put the MB about 2+ inches right of your thumb and then a small weight hole in P2 if you can.  If need be, drill the fingers a little deeper than normal in order to shift some weight towards the thumb.  If you lay the ball out this way, with your ball speed, I believe you can really make this ball rev and pop on the back.