Post by: wer4u2nv on November 05, 2007, 10:57:25 PM
Post by: darkman on November 06, 2007, 07:16:37 AM
Post by: Rock77 on November 06, 2007, 08:12:19 AM
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The best balls would likely depend on your style but in any case i'd say the Green Blue Centaur would cover light to medium - from what I can tell this reactive never rolls out. For the medium to Heavy conditions I'd pick up the Granite Gargoyle. If your looking for major skid snap stuff then look else where the balls I mentioned would be more smooth and still have a powerfull hit that visionary and faball are and were famous for. Also I think those two balls could cover just about any condition you face. If you want to add a third ball you could get a Pearl Ogre for medium. However, if it were me I would pick up a Slate Blue Gargoyle because in my opinion you just can't be urethane. Well there is my 2 cents. Hope it gives you some ideas.
Skip the Granite Gargoyle and go with the AMB Particle instead. The GG isn't a bad ball, but the AMB Particle is better for oil. Plus the GG is retired and Visonary doesn't even have any left in their discontinued balls.
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While the AMB Particle is a better ball for oil, it probably wouldn't get much use on anything unless you see floods on a regular basis. Personally, if you want a ball that will give you more use on med/hvy, go with a Frankie May Gryphon. You may need to alter the cover just a bit as the 400 grit OOB surface is a bit much. I'd also look into an Ogre for a medium ball, but again, you will have to take the cover up a bit from the 600 grit OOB surface. As for a med/light ball, while I don't have one yet, I think that the Blue/Green Centaur would be your best bet. Those three balls ought to allow you to cover most conditions except for extremes.
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Post by: tommymo on November 06, 2007, 09:01:52 AM
P.S. If you lack hand, don't forget about the Immortal line, the Solid and Pearl are a great 1-2 punch (so I've heard) I own the Pearl and I like the reaction it gives me.
Tom
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Post by: scotts33 on November 06, 2007, 09:05:58 AM
quote:Why stop there tommymo.......lots of people give opinions and have never used the equipment nor know anything about the player that is asking for info. becuase they don't state anything about their game...maybe because they don't know anything about their game or how to state it.
Here's my two cents. . . I can only give you my opinion on the balls I've used.
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Post by: tommymo on November 06, 2007, 09:22:38 AM
quote:quote:Why stop there tommymo.......lots of people give opinions and have never used the equipment nor know anything about the player that is asking for info. becuase they don't state anything about their game...maybe because they don't know anything about their game or how to state it.
Here's my two cents. . . I can only give you my opinion on the balls I've used.
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Umm . . . Sure. I know my game and so I'll tell you what works for me. Then again you might want to disregaurd anything I say . . . I'm LEFT handed
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Post by: REvans284 on November 06, 2007, 09:27:12 AM
I haven't tried any of the newer balls such as the immortal's or the ogre's but I am considering doing so in the future. Can anyone give me a comparison on how close the reaction of the Ogre solid to the violet, as well as the Green Gargoyle to the Ogre Pearl? I had a Green Gargoyle, but ended up giving it to my better half as she really liked that ball and since I have a gap I was considering the Ogre pearl as a replacement.
Later,
REvans284
Post by: scotts33 on November 06, 2007, 09:29:47 AM
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Umm . . . Sure. I know my game and so I'll tell you what works for me. Then again you might want to disregaurd anything I say . . . I'm LEFT handed
Wasn't directed at you tm.....I know you know something about Visioanry cuz you use the stuff.
I always get a charge out of the guys that have opinions but never have used any of the balls. Why I stay away from forums that I know nothing about...in my best Sgt. Schulz impression.
Come to think of it MI 2 AZ aka Gary is the Sgt. Schulz of the Visioanry forum.........lol.
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Post by: tommymo on November 06, 2007, 09:30:01 AM
quote:quote:Why stop there tommymo.......lots of people give opinions and have never used the equipment nor know anything about the player that is asking for info. becuase they don't state anything about their game...maybe because they don't know anything about their game or how to state it.
Here's my two cents. . . I can only give you my opinion on the balls I've used.
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Scott
I hope I didn't piss anyone off with that comment. I was just letting the poster know that I'm talking from lane use with the equipment. I wasn't trying to flame anyone on here. Some people know the numbers and can gauge the balls reaction. And like you said . . . nothing about their game means I only have personal experiences to work with in order to give any sort of suggestions.
Thanks
Tom
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Post by: tommymo on November 06, 2007, 09:35:33 AM
Thanks Scott,
Tom
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Post by: imjouster on November 06, 2007, 01:01:41 PM
As for a good 3 ball arsenel. I'd have to agree with the violet gargoyle as being a great benchmark ball for you to use on most conditions. as far as anything else I can't say much. I didn't really like the B/G centaur for an ordinary shot. for me it was very condition specific. Even though I haven't used the balls, From what I hear the Pumpkin and the Ogre SS would be 2 bowling balls that would fit real well around the violet. Pumpkin should cover anything except for a flood, and the SS should cover anything but Bone Dry or really short. so with those 3 I believe it would give you a great arsenel. But once again, I haven't rolled 2 of the 3 so I can't say for sure. Hope this helps.
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Post by: footerson on November 06, 2007, 01:13:45 PM
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Post by: darkman on November 06, 2007, 02:54:08 PM
Why Skip The Granite and pick up the AMB Particle?
I always say when you have access to a discontinued line then go ahead and try those because they may have more value since they are no longer in production and they wont be available too much longer. I know some of the Gargoyle line up and those balls are good performers. An added plus is if the ball is not your type then selling that ball may be more profitable then say one of the ogres and so forth.
Visionary for a small company has several choices on their site, and everything they say about a particular ball many say is true and vast majority of their covers are durable and versitile. Because I bowl in a dry house and carry slower ball speed with good revelutions I tend to favor light - medium oil balls. One of my favorites was the Slate Blue Gargoyle. None the less we are all different and you know your game. Should you have lack of hand and or throw the ball fast then you are going to want some of their aggressive stuff perhaps even the AMB particle however Jason says that beast is strickly for Heavy Oil! Good Luck Mate!
http://www.visionarybowling.com/ball_violetgargoyle.html http://www.visionarybowling.com/ball_greengargoyle.html
http://www.visionarybowling.com/ball_granitegargoyle.html
http://www.visionarybowling.com/ball_slategargoyle.html
Post by: tommymo on November 06, 2007, 05:22:11 PM
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R.I.P Kevin Trombley 11/26/05 You were taken too soon!
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Immortal Pearl
Ogre Pearl
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on November 06, 2007, 05:54:19 PM
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Can anyone give me a comparison on how close the reaction of the Ogre solid to the violet, as well as the Green Gargoyle to the Ogre Pearl?
I have all four of those balls, but have not used them at the same time to offer a really valid comparison. I can only say that the Ogre Solid seems much stronger than the Violet both in hooking ability and earlier read in the oil. The Ogre Pearl seems to have a more even move on the lane whereas the Green Gargoyle is a strong skid-snap reaction which probably needs more dry. The Green Gargoyle really proved itself on a second shift tourney condition but I havent had the opportunity to try the Ogre Pearl on that condition yet.
Hopefully someone else here has had the opportunity to compare them for you and will post their experiences.
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I had a Green Gargoyle, but ended up giving it to my better half as she really liked that ball and since I have a gap I was considering the Ogre pearl as a replacement.
Although I dont have one, I have read that the Ogre SS is supposed to be the replacement for the Green Gargoyle. It is supposed to be a more skid-snap ball than the Ogre Pearl.
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on November 06, 2007, 06:14:46 PM
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Come to think of it MI 2 AZ aka Gary is the Sgt. Schulz of the Visioanry forum.........lol.
Scott,
Yeah, I really dont know a lot other than my own game and each year I learn I know even less than I thought I did.
I can only comment on balls that I have used, so I need to get more of the newer Visionary balls drilled up. One of these days I might even get that Orange Warlock drilled.
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Post by: REvans284 on November 06, 2007, 10:05:59 PM
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Quoting MI 2 AZ
I have all four of those balls, but have not used them at the same time to offer a really valid comparison. I can only say that the Ogre Solid seems much stronger than the Violet both in hooking ability and earlier read in the oil. The Ogre Pearl seems to have a more even move on the lane whereas the Green Gargoyle is a strong skid-snap reaction which probably needs more dry. The Green Gargoyle really proved itself on a second shift tourney condition but I havent had the opportunity to try the Ogre Pearl on that condition yet.
Hopefully someone else here has had the opportunity to compare them for you and will post their experiences.
Thanks for the reply. The problem I had with the Green is that it was too much too soon. It read the midlane early, then it also made a hard left down lane once it truely hit the brake point and the last turn was hard for me to control because I couldnt keep it right (unless I was waaay left).
Most of my equipment is drilled with the 10:30 drill (pin under ring, CG kicked right at 45* since im RH'd) for early read and arcing/tame back end. My driller insisted on a Stacked drilling with the pin slightly above the ring (on the GG)and every ball I have had like this I don't like (which includes my FMG and my SBG). So I will stay away from that in the future.
My 2nd ball in the 1-2 punch I currently use is a FlipSide Panic from Columbia 300. Its a great ball but it has a problem with the thumb slug coming loose and after a while it tries to slide out. I have had it replaced twice and the problem re-occurs and just wont stay fixed (the slug goes in tight when my driller sets it, but wont stay and comes loose in a few weeks). It is also a former tour ball i bought used and had the thumb moved to fit my span (luckily it had the same layout as the VG, and thats the main reason i got it).
Since it has seen better days, I am considering getting the OP as a replacement because even though the RG may be a bit higher than the Panic, the Diff. is very similar (panic .025 / OP .029) and I am a fan of lower flaring balls. The higher RG will also probably help it get down the lane a bit too compared to the Green G, as I think it would still read early in the dry. The main difference I see is the cover being 600 Matte for the Panic and the OP being 1500 Polished.. Again though, the ball was a tour ball used, and I can tell you it had been polished and the surface grit changed. There is no way it was 600 as I have adjusted the cover and polished several pieces of equipment and it felt closer to 1000 (probably gray or white scotch brite pad).
I think I will try it and see, and if its too long and sharp for me I can dull it down and repolish. I wish I had a video made of the VG though to show how hard it turns (for me) even with an earlier read arc drill (probably has to do with ball speed). I will keep you updated though.
Edit: I see what you are saying about the SS being more like the GG, but a true skid snap reaction isn't really what I am looking for or happy with in my game. It seems to me with every ball I have thrown like that, even though they hit hard and clear the heads well, they don't handle carry down worth a snot, and I bowled alot of sport tournaments and I just couldnt use it very often unless we were on a short pattern in a wood house, so. I don't think it will give me what I am looking for.
Later,
REvans284
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