Post by: River700 on May 15, 2009, 12:25:57 PM
I need some info about this asap!!!! Thanks
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Post by: Juggernaut on May 15, 2009, 08:32:51 PM
I've had two B/G's and loved them both. I talked with Jason at Visionary about them many times before I got one.
His recommendation was to ALWAYS keep the MB very close to the thumbhole, on the strong side and the pin around the fingers.
Both of mine were drilled very similarly and both of them gave me EXCEPTIONAL performance on their desired lane conditions.
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Post by: River700 on May 15, 2009, 08:35:52 PM
So if I left the pin at 4 inches from my pap inline with my fingers and put the mas bias at 4 1/2 or 5, would that work on like a cheetah or viper pattern?--------------------
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Post by: Juggernaut on May 15, 2009, 08:47:54 PM
For me, the B/G was a very predictable ball that deliverd predictable performance, but would also let you know when it was time to use a stronger piece. They have been a couple of the best light/drier condition balls I've ever used with reactive covers.
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Post by: River700 on May 15, 2009, 10:42:43 PM
How did you lay out both of your B/G centaurs? why i am kind of interested in buying one of these is that I have a storm too hot and was wanting a similar ball that had a solid cover.--------------------
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Post by: Juggernaut on May 17, 2009, 09:12:32 AM
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Thanks Juggernaut
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Well, as luck would have it, I also owned a Too Hot at one time before I owned the B/G's. I had the Too Hot laid out pin under bridge with cg out a bit, but no x-hole. For me, I never really seemed to be able to "settle in" with the Too Hot. When there was oil I needed something stronger, but when they dried up, it seemed to read the dry too much and gave me erratic performance. I either shot a ton with it, or nothing at all.
Both my B/G's were laid out with the locator pin above the ring finger and the MB pin touching the LEFT side (weak side) of the thumbhole on one of them, and touching the RIGHT side (strong side) of the thumbhole on the other.
I had the "stronger" one at 1500 matte, and the "weaker" one polished over the factory finish. Depending on the oil condition, I have played them BOTH from down & in to swinging a 20 board break with great success.
Two seasons ago, I won the high series for the year at our center with my "weaker" one, shooting a 793 (dang tenpin!) with it while swinging the second arrow on a dry condition.
I DO NOT DUPLICATE BALLS!. I don't have any purpose for two balls that do the same thing. However, this ball was so good to me I made an exception. Now that I have gone down to 14lbs, I plan on getting another one as soon as I can. This is one ball I would like to always have in reserve. to me, it really is that good.
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Post by: River700 on May 17, 2009, 05:12:53 PM
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Post by: Juggernaut on May 17, 2009, 06:30:06 PM
Keep your eyes peeled though. They pop up here from time to time, and I have seen a couple on e-bay not too long ago, so they can be found.
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Post by: golfnutFL on May 17, 2009, 08:32:36 PM
http://www.cheapbowlingballs.com/bowling_balls/visionary/green_blue_centaur.php
Post by: River700 on May 17, 2009, 10:51:43 PM
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Post by: River700 on May 17, 2009, 11:32:16 PM
If I were to buy this ball, what drill would be best, my pap is 5 3/8 over and 1/2 inch up. I would be using this ball on like a broken down house shot, the cheetah and viper pattern later on. I have around 16-17 mph maybe a touch higher.
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq229/NorCalBowler/1241294698.jpg
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Post by: River700 on May 22, 2009, 08:03:43 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on May 22, 2009, 08:30:30 PM
Here's a B/G of mine (I have two) and you can't see the pin but it's right of thumb looking at the label. http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q29/scotts33/?action=view¤t=VisionaryCentaur.jpg
I am 4 7/8" over and 0. I'd say that one is a good layout for length and reasonable back end on broken down shots and wet/dry playing on the oil line....depends on your stats. and how you like to play them.
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Post by: River700 on May 23, 2009, 01:57:21 AM
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Post by: scotts33 on May 23, 2009, 07:21:04 AM
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Post by: Juggernaut on May 23, 2009, 07:24:41 AM
Looking at the ball, the pin looks to be in a good position, but the small black pin is further from the thumb than I would want mine.
Like I said, I talked to Jason a lot before I drilled mine ( Jason is Vice President of marketing for Visonary and the son ( I believe ) of the founder, so he should know the equipment as well or better than anyone.
Jason always told me to keep the main pin close to the fingers and the little black marker pin close to the thumb. I did just that and they both worked great.
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Post by: River700 on May 23, 2009, 10:59:08 AM
If I do buy this ball, I will plug and redrill and do that particular drilling on it
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Post by: Juggernaut on May 23, 2009, 11:29:30 AM
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Thanks Juggernaut for the info, I think I know what I want to do now
If I do buy this ball, I will plug and redrill and do that particular drilling on it
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Edited on 5/23/2009 11:00 AM
Scotts33 is also a fan of many visionary balls, and he seems to think the MB pin is close enough to the thumb for him, so a simple plug/redrill of the thumb to adjust the span might be enough for you to get the desired results without having to do a complete plug/redrill job.
If the ball were going to be mine, I would PROBABLY go that route first, before a complete plug job. If it wasn't quite enough, I might look into a full plug/redrill then.
The B/G really is a great, versatile ball. Not for every condition, but really good on its desired condition. Visionary really makes some great stuff, I just like to try too much new stuff to stay with any one company for too long, but if I did, visionary would be at the top of the list, for sure.
P.S. I always keep something from them around. Since I dropped down to 14lbs, I haven't gotten anything, but I've had my eye on a "blurple" for a while now
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Post by: River700 on May 23, 2009, 02:47:43 PM
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Post by: Juggernaut on May 23, 2009, 03:15:42 PM
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Juggernaut, the reason why I would fully plug it is because my too hot is drilled label at 5 1/2 x 5 1/2 pin up, and I wanted to keep the surface on the too hot polished for when it broke down some, and was thinking about having the B/G centaur at like 4k or 2k abralon with the 4 x 5 pin next to ring to make it read sooner and for when it is fresh. But, I also have been looking at a storm ultra hot that is plugged and has a 1 1/4 inch pin and was thinking about doing a 4 1/2 x 4 1/2 or a 5 x 5 pin under ring with a 1 inch hole 2 1/2 inches deep either on my pap or just below it. These are my two options that I am looking at. I am going to ask a few of the storm people on here to see what they have to say, but if you have anything else you want to add that would be fine
With the B/G I had, it gave me a pretty smooth reaction even with the higher pin position. My pins weren't as far above the fingers as this one, and the MB marker was closer to the thumb. With a full plug/redrill leaving you with a 4 inch pin-to-pap and the mb marker close to the thumb, I think you would have a real winner on tough/dryish shots.
While the Ultra Hot was a decent ball, I don't think there is any way to get it to cover the conditions that the B/G will. The core of the Ultra Hot is pretty mild, but the cover is solid curelyon with flecks ( small particles ) and is surprisingly strong. I would think that the Ultra Hot was designed to cover HEAVIER conditions than the Too Hot, and would thusly be quite a bit stronger. I feel that the B/G is much closer to the Too Hot in being designed for drier conditions, but it was just much more predictable for me than the Too Hot was.
If you are looking for something STRONGER than the Too Hot, I would give the Ultra Hot a good look. If your looking to replace the Too Hot with something to handle similar conditions, I would try the B/G. At least that's what I am thinking. The B/G isn't a weakling by any means, just designed for drier conditions and should be used there to achieve maximum results.
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Edited on 5/23/2009 3:16 PM
Post by: River700 on May 29, 2009, 07:24:35 PM
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