Author Topic: Charcoal Executioner (Read 1827 times)

pisces_void · « **on:** July 01, 2008, 12:50:02 AM »

Hello, I have a Charcoal Executioner that I obtained a little over 10 months ago and I originally had it filled and re-drilled for my hand. I couldn't really have it redone on a different layout because the original owner had his pin drilled out on one of the finger holes.

Recently I had the filler around my thumb hole crack and have been trying to figure out what to do about this ball. From reading the reviews on the site I can tell that this ball was either drilled wrong, or only drilled to work for a right handed bowler (I'm a lefty). I say this because I read that a lot of hook can be attained from this ball but it only gives me a small hook.

Here's the layout:
0 0

X

O

If anyone has any ideas on how I should get this ball fixed I'd be much obliged. Basically I want to know if I should try to have the drilling completely redone, or just fix the thumb hole and work with what I've got.

I'd like to say one more time that I am left-handed and looking for a bigger hook action.

livespive · « **Reply #1 on:** July 01, 2008, 09:15:03 AM »

I am assuming that the pin is in the ring finger (righty)

THe problem you are having is that being a lefty, the ball is drilled "negitive", you are actually reducing the hook.

I don't think that the fingers were drilled down far enough to not see the pin. I would have your driller see if he can see the pin. If not you do know that the pin is in the ring finger hole. I would fill the ring finger hole with white fill (the original color of the pin), and use it aas the pin. It might be a little big, but it will get you closer than where you are now. Then have him lay the ball out for a lefty.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.
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BigWillyStyle · « **Reply #2 on:** July 01, 2008, 09:19:37 AM »

I would guess that this won't be a very strong layout, since I've got a Storm El Nino 2000 drilled almost identical (pin is directly above bridge) and it is a very smooth rolling ball...not much hook, but gets down the lane easy.

Maybe you could adjust the cover to make it hook a bit more, but I would guess that this won't be a very strong layout for you.

One thing to consider though, is if when they drilled the pin out, did they drill it fingertip or conventional? If fingertip, they might not have drilled deep enough to drill ALL of the pin out. With that being said, what you can they do, is plug the finger that the pin is under a different color, and use it like the pin. Just a thought...

Hope this helps!

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livespive · « **Reply #3 on:** July 01, 2008, 09:41:11 AM »

Yeah, I would definately plug it and redrill it, making the ring finger plug
a different color.
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pisces_void · « **Reply #4 on:** July 01, 2008, 09:48:43 AM »

By ring finger, do you mean mine or the ring finger for a right-handed bowler?

livespive · « **Reply #5 on:** July 01, 2008, 09:55:03 AM »

quote:
By ring finger, do you mean mine or the ring finger for a right-handed bowler?

The ring finger for the right handed bowler....

Righty

-----IF-----RF--------

--------CG-----------

--------TH-----------

the pin should be in there.
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pisces_void · « **Reply #6 on:** July 01, 2008, 10:04:13 AM »

Thanks a lot everyone for your advice, I'll take it in whenever I get a chance and have the ring finger filled in a different color.

Once I get it back from my pro shop I'll post on how much of a difference I'll see (I hope it's a huge one).

I also noticed that my ball track was going right over my thumb hole, which probably has to do with my drilling being "negative" as livespive said, that will be remedied with a re-drilling right?

livespive · « **Reply #7 on:** July 01, 2008, 10:09:40 AM »

quote:
Thanks a lot everyone for your advice, I'll take it in whenever I get a chance and have the ring finger filled in a different color.

Once I get it back from my pro shop I'll post on how much of a difference I'll see (I hope it's a huge one).

I also noticed that my ball track was going right over my thumb hole, which probably has to do with my drilling being "negative" as livespive said, that will be remedied with a re-drilling right?

Yeah, unless you have a weird release it should all be taken care of on the redrill....

Let us know
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pisces_void · « **Reply #8 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:30:17 AM »

I took the ball into my pro shop last night, I followed livesprive's advice and had him fill the ring finger with white filler since he couldn't find the pin either. He says it should be ready for drilling Saturday so I'll let ya'll know how it goes.

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 03, 2008, 08:18:36 PM »

First off......if the cg is under your ring finger, that ball is not negative. It should have maybe a slight amount of positive side weight in it. Secondly, nobody asked what your PAP was. What is your axis point? Third, when are you bowling? If you are bowling after some open players, you could encounter some carrydown which will keep the ball from hooking. Fourth, how hard do you roll the ball? A faster ball speed gives the ball less time to react thus the ball not hooking. Last, what is your rev rate? If you have little to no ball rotation, the ball won't hook much, either.

There are alot of factors that could lead to this lack of hook. Give us more info and it will be easier to pinpoint the problem. One thing is for sure. The ball is not drilled negative for a left hander by your diagram (cg under ring).
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livespive · « **Reply #10 on:** July 03, 2008, 08:41:12 PM »

quote:
First off......if the cg is under your ring finger, that ball is not negative. It should have maybe a slight amount of positive side weight in it. Secondly, nobody asked what your PAP was. What is your axis point? Third, when are you bowling? If you are bowling after some open players, you could encounter some carrydown which will keep the ball from hooking. Fourth, how hard do you roll the ball? A faster ball speed gives the ball less time to react thus the ball not hooking. Last, what is your rev rate? If you have little to no ball rotation, the ball won't hook much, either.

There are alot of factors that could lead to this lack of hook. Give us more info and it will be easier to pinpoint the problem. One thing is for sure. The ball is not drilled negative for a left hander by your diagram (cg under ring).
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Don't forget the pin is in the ring finger of a right handed bowler, so he still needs to get the ball plugged, and redrilled. I would also guess that it is the spacing that makes the cg marker look that way. I would guess that the cg is in the center of the palm. I will probably guess that he will need to polish it as it is more that likely rolling out.
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Edited on 7/3/2008 8:43 PM

pisces_void · « **Reply #11 on:** July 04, 2008, 11:44:11 AM »

First off......I'd like to say that TWOHAND834 scares me.

I bowl in league so I'm always bowling on a fresh THS and I'm one of 3 left handers.

Now as far as pap and ball speed and rotation go, I throw 13~16 mph depending on oil. I don't know what my rev rate is but on all my other balls I go from fourth dot, to left of 2nd arrow, hold that line, and hook into pocket.

I don't know how to check for my pap, but that diagram is a little off because the spacing didn't come out right. The cg is right between the ring fingers and over the thumb.

As far as the finish, I'm going to put the ball in OOB condition (600 grit Wet Sand) and see what adjustments I need from there, I'm looking for a ball that can handle fresh oil.

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pisces_void · « **Reply #12 on:** July 10, 2008, 12:44:14 AM »

Just got my ball back today, and all I can say is WOW! This is now a completely different ball!

Not only had this ball been drilled negative for me, the previous owner had polished it up as well. My pro shop guy put it back in OOB condition and did a wonderful job filling and re-drilling this ball for me.

Testing it out, my first game had no hook action whatsoever unless I slowed down my speed dramatically. This was because I was playing the wrong angle for this ball though, after a fellow lefty in the pro shop showed me which line to play (all my gear is pearl so I haven't had experience with other types of cover stock finishes) I saw a huge change.

Standing at 20, I throw to 10 and this ball travels clean through the heads and as soon as it finds dry, starts to hook and hook big! The pin action I get with this ball now is like nothing else in my arsenal. My 10 and 6 pins would turn into messengers often and if it swung Brooklyn, I'd still get pretty good breaks if not still a strike.

When the oil broke down around the end of my 4th game, I had to start lofting it to right between the first and second arrows and that helped to keep it from going too high in the pocket.

I'm very satisfied with how this ball came out and it is definitely going to be the first thing out of my bag in league since they like to lay the oil on a little too thick for my pearl balls. Below are some before and after pics of the ball.

Before:
http://img199.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=th_67654_executioner_122_93lo.jpg
http://img217.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=th_67657_executioner2_122_384lo.jpg

After:
http://img201.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=67657_executioner3_122_210lo.jpg
http://img145.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=67659_executioner4_122_971lo.jpg
http://img181.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=67665_executioner5_122_363lo.jpg

BigWillyStyle · « **Reply #13 on:** July 10, 2008, 03:55:31 AM »

Pisces,

After looking at your pics, I'd like to say that this is almost exactly how I have my Purple Ice Executioner drilled up (but without an X-hole). I absolutely LOVE my PIE on sport conditions as the cover/core do a fine job of reading the oil and still going strong on the backend. [/hyjack]

I hope that the Charcoal keeps working great for ya!

Big Willy Style

quote:
Just got my ball back today, and all I can say is WOW! This is now a completely different ball!

Not only had this ball been drilled negative for me, the previous owner had polished it up as well. My pro shop guy put it back in OOB condition and did a wonderful job filling and re-drilling this ball for me.

Testing it out, my first game had no hook action whatsoever unless I slowed down my speed dramatically. This was because I was playing the wrong angle for this ball though, after a fellow lefty in the pro shop showed me which line to play (all my gear is pearl so I haven't had experience with other types of cover stock finishes) I saw a huge change.

Standing at 20, I throw to 10 and this ball travels clean through the heads and as soon as it finds dry, starts to hook and hook big! The pin action I get with this ball now is like nothing else in my arsenal. My 10 and 6 pins would turn into messengers often and if it swung Brooklyn, I'd still get pretty good breaks if not still a strike.

When the oil broke down around the end of my 4th game, I had to start lofting it to right between the first and second arrows and that helped to keep it from going too high in the pocket.

I'm very satisfied with how this ball came out and it is definitely going to be the first thing out of my bag in league since they like to lay the oil on a little too thick for my pearl balls. Below are some before and after pics of the ball.

Before:
http://img199.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=th_67654_executioner_122_93lo.jpg
http://img217.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=th_67657_executioner2_122_384lo.jpg

After:
http://img201.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=67657_executioner3_122_210lo.jpg
http://img145.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=67659_executioner4_122_971lo.jpg
http://img181.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=67665_executioner5_122_363lo.jpg

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livespive · « **Reply #14 on:** July 10, 2008, 08:01:33 AM »

pisces_void,

Glad to see the Charcoal is working out for you.
Trust me you will love this ball.
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