Author Topic: Charcoal VS. Purple Ice Ex? (Read 4699 times)

A_P_K · « **on:** August 06, 2003, 11:23:22 PM »

I will be acquiring the Charcoal Ex very shortly and was definitely interested in picking up the Purple Ice.

One post caught my eye where the Charcoal was mentioned as a control ball. If this COULD seem to be the case, what are the major differences between these two balls other than the particles in the Purple Ice? I'm pretty sure both balls are 600 wet sand grit though.

Jeffrevs.....this came from part of your control ball post.......I'd figure I'd ask to get a few drilling options for the Char Ex......since it has such a heavy midlane like the Crimson.

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Drastically inflicting pin punishing destruction, and doing it with...................well a Drastic!!

livespive · « **Reply #1 on:** August 07, 2003, 03:04:17 PM »

Are you the one that beat me to John's (axewelder) charcol ex?

I have talked to several people and they are telling me to use multiple
charcols drilled and pollished different ways to get the job done.

With both balls being 600, I am guess that the addition of the particles give a little more midlane than the charcol. I myself am looking at making a arsenal out of visionary equipment, using excecutioners for tournaments.

There is a user here called "The Dude" He is a prostaff member of visionary, and has proved very useful in the question that I have asked him.

Right now I have a charcol drilled label leverage. I am looking at another charcol, then maybe a crimson.

From what I have gotton off of this site and other reading, label drillings are best. Below are a couple of links from older post that I was involved in:

http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=28239&ForumID=15&CategoryID=2

http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=17542&ForumID=15&CategoryID=2
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Edited on 8/7/2003 3:31 PM

Jeffrevs · « **Reply #2 on:** August 07, 2003, 03:28:03 PM »

Not sure here.....this is what confuses me...

the Ex core is the same...the charcoal is a solid, the Purple is a particle pearl but 600 wet sand....how can the Purple be a control ball. I would have to guess that the cover is totally unique from the Crimson and Charcoal thus giving it a "urethane on steroids" roll.......
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A_P_K · « **Reply #3 on:** August 07, 2003, 03:34:41 PM »

Actually that would be me!

I saw it and just couldn't resist. I too would like to go with Visionary completely. The Crimson is just an amazing ball that I can use on any shot without major problems.

Thanks Livespive, your threads shown me what I wanted to see. The more sense it makes, the Executioner's appear to be a "control" line up. I was trying to put together a small tournament arsenal as well, but I do want to try the Char Ex in leagues. Although, I don't think there will be enough oil for that ball, I don't want to drill it weak either. There's always my Crimson

for the house shot! .....And I feel I'll be going with a label variation on the Charcoal anyway.

If you get the Crimson, I'd believe you'll like it. Mines's drilled 5x4 with the MB strong and it gets down the lane super smooth, but has just the perfect arching motion to kill the rack. It's not too strong, but it's definitely not a weak backend by any means either.

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Pin_Krusher, formerly Divine Dragon.....a.k.a...The Littleboy with a neutron bomb

Drastically inflicting pin punishing destruction, and doing it with...................well a Drastic!!

A_P_K · « **Reply #4 on:** August 07, 2003, 03:37:44 PM »

But......because the core generates an earlier roll anyway, I'd believe what Livespive said with the particles making it start rolling even sooner.

Maybe they're using a different type of particle that grabs sooner.....beats me I've never seen a Purple before.............even the particles in the Granite cause the ball to roll early....I feel like I can shave my face with that ball out of the box.....

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Pin_Krusher, formerly Divine Dragon.....a.k.a...The Littleboy with a neutron bomb

Drastically inflicting pin punishing destruction, and doing it with...................well a Drastic!!

livespive · « **Reply #5 on:** August 07, 2003, 03:38:01 PM »

To take a guess I would say that it is the particles, and the fact that it is a sanded pearl.

To kill the length, and overunder on a pearl you sand it. But you still cant get as much out of it as a solid. That is where I think they added the particles to increase the grab on the lane.

This is just my guess though.
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Visionary Test Staff Member

livespive · « **Reply #6 on:** August 07, 2003, 03:59:51 PM »

Yeah I tried my charcol on a house shot. It didn't like it at all

I am planning on getting a crimson, and getting it drilled just like my old
Rhino Pro X (Stacked leverage). I'll have to see where I am going to place the MB
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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #7 on:** August 08, 2003, 06:44:21 AM »

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I'll have to see where I am going to place the MB

Eric, stacked leverage would mean strong, so you'd want the mb to the right of your thumb (righty)
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JEFF
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A_P_K · « **Reply #8 on:** August 08, 2003, 07:30:42 AM »

To be honest I don't understand what the MB does to the Crimson. I'd assume out of obviousness that it does strengthen the backend reaction a little, but if you stood by me when I threw it and asked if I could see the MB at work........I would reply....

Visionary states that it is a minor MB,.....so would it have a great affect on the Executioners, or is this something for the "keen at eye" pro type to notice?

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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #9 on:** August 08, 2003, 07:32:58 AM »

PK
Supposedly, the stronger the MB the easier it is to see its emphasis on the balls reaction.....so it the X MB isn't that strong, then no, not really will see it that much......
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JEFF
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livespive · « **Reply #10 on:** August 08, 2003, 08:21:39 AM »

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I'll have to see where I am going to place the MB

Eric, stacked leverage would mean strong, so you'd want the mb to the right of your thumb (righty)
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JEFF
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Yes it does, I wasn't thinking when I typed that. What I was really saying
was if I was going to go stacked, or more of a 10:30 leverage drill.
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A_P_K · « **Reply #11 on:** August 08, 2003, 08:26:11 AM »

If I drilled any Executioner 1:30 label, wouldn't that put the MB on the left side of my thumb?......Or could it be possible to get it in the strong position?
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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #12 on:** August 08, 2003, 08:29:26 AM »

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If I drilled any Executioner 1:30 label, wouldn't that put the MB on the left side of my thumb?......Or could it be possible to get it in the strong position?
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In the old days people used to cut wood with an axe.....................now and days...............they just have Exectuioners do it for them!

PK, I doubt that, but I'm not 100% sure
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JEFF
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A_P_K · « **Reply #13 on:** August 08, 2003, 08:34:20 AM »

I don't want to stack any of them because I do have a pretty high rev count and the last ball I stacked gave me too much over under.

I see it making sense on paper, but that's just paper........and then again the MB can be completely ignored if I choose too do so.

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In the old days people used to cut wood with an axe.....................now and days...............they just have Exectuioners do it for them!

Jeffrevs · « **Reply #14 on:** August 08, 2003, 08:37:20 AM »

PK, I agree with that....you may not want to stack...either MB in the track or VAL depending on what hook "shape" you want......
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JEFF
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