Post by: tog831 on August 26, 2007, 12:04:14 AM
I have an Immortal pearl and really like it,but sometimes it gets a little jumpy.I really like symetrical core balls over asyms.
Post by: pnj1967 on August 26, 2007, 08:49:22 AM
Some good reviews. If or when I ever get enough money, (no light at the end of the tunnel yet) this may be my next ball.
Click on link to see reviews.
http://www.ballreviews.com/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ManufacterID=13&BallID=797
http://www.bowlingballreviews.com/ball.asp?ballid=3145
http://www.bowlingball.com/info/columbias-last-sa-release-ogre.html
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Post by: Strider on August 26, 2007, 09:23:24 AM
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Post by: Eddie M on August 26, 2007, 09:44:02 AM
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Post by: pnj1967 on August 26, 2007, 01:33:29 PM
tog831
Posted: 8/26/2007 8:04 AM
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What is the best solid reactive control ball that Visionary makes.
I have an Immortal pearl and really like it,but sometimes it gets a little jumpy.I really like symetrical core balls over asyms.
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For lighter volumes of oil, you can't beat the Blue/Green Centaur. Extremely smooth, no flip at all. Maybe at 600-800 grit, it could be useful on medium oil.
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Post by: Strider on August 26, 2007, 01:59:23 PM
The Violet Gargoyle probably fits best on true medium oil, but I don't know how well it qualifies as a control ball. The original (orange) Ogre from everything I've read is at least a med/heavy oil ball, so I'm not sure a blanket statement about that ball is accurate either. That's why I qualified my statement the way I did.
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on August 26, 2007, 02:08:59 PM
What condition are you looking for. Something for mediums?
Since your PAP and rev rate are comparable to mine, I would say to take a B/G Centaur and drill it with the pin at 2 inches with the cg at or near the center grip and no weight hole. That will give you control unlike no other. I have a ball drilled this way and there is no sign of flip on the backend at all and can use the ball on a variety of conditions.
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Post by: charlest on August 26, 2007, 02:13:01 PM
you're both correct.
The Blue/Green Centaur is THE control ball for light to medium-light oil.
The solid Ogre is THE control ball for medium, when the stock cover is either sanded finer to 2000 or 4000 grit or lightly polish, and for medium-hevay oil, when left stock at 600 grit or sanded to 800/1000/1500 grit, depending on your "hand".
I use my solid Ogre with a light polish and can't make it flip for love or monoey.
I use the B/G Centaur at 2000 or 4000 grit or 1000 grit+light polish and it remains a great control ball.
Inspite of being control balls, they will both HIT when used on the right oil pattern and surface for your release.
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Post by: pnj1967 on August 26, 2007, 02:17:54 PM
Strider nothing ment by my reply.
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Guys,
you're both correct.
The Blue/Green Gargoyle is THE control ball for light to medium-light oil.
The solid Ogre is THE control ball for medium, when the stock cover is either sanded finer to 2000 or 4000 grit or lightly polish, and for medium-hevay oil, when left stock at 600 grit or sanded to 800/1000/1500 grit, depending on your "hand".
I use my solid Ogre with a light polish and can't make it flip for love or monoey.
I use the B/G Gargoyle at 2000 or 4000 grit or 1000 grit+light polish and it remains a great control ball.
Inspite of being control balls, they will both HIT when used on the right oil pattern and surface for your release.
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on August 26, 2007, 02:22:16 PM
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Post by: charlest on August 26, 2007, 02:29:52 PM
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Also, just for the record, my recommendation was due to a suggestion by the fine people at Visionary for me when I was asking them the same question about a particular look I did not have in my bag.
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Steven,
Nice Catch. I didn't see his rev rate in his profile. (SO used to not looking there.)
tog831,
I agree with Steven a LOT. With your rev rate, MUCH above us mere mortals, a 4000 grit or a light polish on the B/G Centaur or the Ogre will likely produce a more snappy reaction that you desire. You must also look for a specific drill or rougher coverstock (1000 grit), like Steven recommended.
I'd still recommend the B/G Centaur and the solid Ogre, as major control balls.
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on August 26, 2007, 02:33:26 PM
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Post by: charlest on August 26, 2007, 02:43:18 PM
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Just out of curiousity, when did VBP come out with the B/G Gargoyle?
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The devil made me do it.
Ok, Steven, I don't know what made me write "gargoyle" when you know I meant "Centaur", The Blue/Green Centaur. I went back and corrected my other replies. SOrry for the confusion.
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Post by: scotts33 on August 26, 2007, 03:03:13 PM
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I have an Immortal pearl and really like it,but sometimes it gets a little jumpy.I really like symetrical core balls over asyms.
FWIW, I think tog831 is looking for something smoother off the spot. IP is jumpy off the spot for most. B/G Centaur is the smoothest. Rev rate is high but that 5 7/8 over and 1" up means to me he/she stays behind the ball a lot better than most .
Steven is correct more info. is needed. What lane condition?
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on August 26, 2007, 04:03:13 PM
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Post by: charlest on August 26, 2007, 06:37:15 PM
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Sorry, Charlest. I was just poking a little fun.
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No harm done at all. I owe you a thanks! THANKS!
I made a major brain twist sideways. Read "Blue'Green"; didn't even try to read "Centaur" because I'm so familiar with it, and the brain must have spit out "gargoyle" when I was typing my reply. Don't know what I was thinking. Glad you spotted it; would have really sent tog831 down some strange paths, even if he even realized the mistake I made.
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on August 26, 2007, 09:43:39 PM
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Post by: tog831 on August 27, 2007, 10:08:22 AM
Post by: scotts33 on August 27, 2007, 11:44:48 AM
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