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Title: G3 - Two toned Gryphon?
Post by: MI 2 AZ on November 07, 2003, 02:11:57 AM
Just saw that a new topic for this ball was started on the Visionary website but did not see any info there.  Anyone have any info on this ball?
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Title: Re: G3 - Two toned Gryphon?
Post by: A_P_K on November 07, 2003, 05:21:45 PM
Badger856 mentioned there would be another Gryphon coming out.  All he stated or knew of was it would go longer and have more backend then the Blue Sparkle.  

From what I've read on here in the past few weeks, there is slated to be four Gryphons altogether.  This one is supposed to fit inbetween the Blue and Burgundy.


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Title: Re: G3 - Two toned Gryphon?
Post by: MI 2 AZ on November 07, 2003, 05:29:57 PM
Thanks, Anthony.  I guess that the G3 stands for the 3rd Gryphon or Gryphon 3.  Probably a resin ball then.
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Title: Re: G3 - Two toned Gryphon?
Post by: A_P_K on November 07, 2003, 05:33:16 PM
Sure thing, I wish I knew more about it myself.  Needless to say the Gryphon series made enough impact on me to where I'll buy it anyway.

Did you hear what color(s) it would be yet?


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Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.
Title: Re: G3 - Two toned Gryphon?
Post by: scotts33 on November 07, 2003, 10:58:18 PM
It's to bad that some one from Visionary like one fo the Wonders doesn't frequent this forum like Roger From Roto and Phil from DT do.  Makes them more viable in a way.  I know the Wonders will answer your phone questions....but being more available to the masses is one way to sell more equipment.

Scott
Title: Re: G3 - Two toned Gryphon?
Post by: MI 2 AZ on November 07, 2003, 10:58:39 PM
No, I have no idea of what the colors will be.

I finally got to use my Blue Sparkle Gryphon tonight.  Usually dont use it because I find something else that works better but the lanes were drier tonight more than normal.  Started with the Pink Raspberry C2 and shot a clean 194.  Couldnt find a line that would hold.  Finally in the 3rd frame of the 2nd game I switched to the Blue Gryphon and finished with 230 and 220.  I was able to play a more direct line with the BG but it had great carry tonight.  Only had one split in each of those games and that was because I sent the BG out too wide and when it came back, it came in too heavy.

If Visionary comes out with a Gryphon that fits between the Blue and the Burgundy, I will buy it and try it.  And probably like it.  
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I am the SGT Schultz of bowling.
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Title: Re: G3 - Two toned Gryphon?
Post by: A_P_K on November 08, 2003, 03:20:33 AM
I find that my Gryphon, being sanded down to 800 grit works wonders on many conditions.  To me it compliments my Hercules in reaction, which is very controlled, stable, and smooth.  The major obvious difference is the Gryphon gets more length and a bigger backend.  I tend to use it in my scratch match play league which starts at 10pm, and it works well, generally holding a line playing 20-12.

I will end up buying the whole set sooner or later.


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Title: Re: G3 - Two toned Gryphon?
Post by: roystriker on November 08, 2003, 07:57:30 AM
There's a full page ad in the Nov. issue of Bowlers' Journal.  It appears to be a red/blue swirl.
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Title: Re: G3 - Two toned Gryphon?
Post by: scotts33 on November 09, 2003, 11:53:55 AM
Leroy--I haven't seen the piece in Bowler's Journal.  Can you give us a brief rundown?  Is it reactive?  Pearl or solid?  Anything lese?

Thanks,
Scott
Title: Re: G3 - Two toned Gryphon?
Post by: scotts33 on November 09, 2003, 12:41:47 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but both the Burgandy and Blue Sparkle have the same core......yes?  So, I am wondering how this G3 will be longer other than the use of a pearl type coverstock, if it uses the same early rolling core.  

What's everybody think?

Scott
Title: Re: G3 - Two toned Gryphon?
Post by: scotts33 on November 09, 2003, 05:03:18 PM
Thanks Bob7.  Sure looks like the same core on the website.  Wondered how they get more differential.  You will agree they both roll early?  

Scott
Title: Re: G3 - Two toned Gryphon?
Post by: A_P_K on November 09, 2003, 09:32:13 PM
Like Bob7 said, the cores are different but don't really "look" different.  The actual Burgundy's inner core that's surrounded by the wrap is shaped differently, on the verge of an hour glass appearance, where the Blue Sparkle is more "blocky" for a lack of better words.



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Title: Re: G3 - Two toned Gryphon?
Post by: scotts33 on November 10, 2003, 06:10:59 PM
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Like Bob7 said, the cores are different but don't really "look" different. The actual Burgundy's inner core that's surrounded by the wrap is shaped differently, on the verge of an hour glass appearance, where the Blue Sparkle is more "blocky" for a lack of better words.


Yes, I see that A_P_K as I looked closer.  Thanks.  It will be interesting how they get more length and angularity to the G3.  I believe all the Gargoyle cores are the same.  Visionary got a lot more length and angle on the Greenie.

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Title: Re: G3 - Two toned Gryphon?
Post by: A_P_K on November 10, 2003, 06:29:22 PM
I am awaiting my chance to throw the Green Gargoyle, I just have too much equipment to cycle through for leagues.  

If you haven't thrown the Blue Sparkle Gryphon, it is a very versatile and forgivable ball, but not for light oils.  It's a good thing Visionary decided to put out a "weaker" version of the Gryphon because so far it's one of the best "house" balls I've ever thrown.


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Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.
Title: Re: G3 - Two toned Gryphon?
Post by: MI 2 AZ on November 10, 2003, 11:45:16 PM
quote:
Just got my BJ today. They say if you find the VBP hidden logo you get a free ball hahahaha but the first 5 already taken. Dame BJ now I need a BJ Screw BJ. BJ SUCKS


Odddude, I dont understand what you are trying to say.  Seriously.  Are you talking about Bowlers Journal?  If so, I dont get that mag, could you elaborate a bit more?
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Title: Re: G3 - Two toned Gryphon?
Post by: plippens on November 18, 2003, 10:25:39 AM
Just got an email response back from Mr. Wonders:  Here is his response, he sent an attachment, so the numbers from it are listed below.


 
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Hi Paul,
 
    The new G-3 Gryphon is designed to fit between the Blue Sparkle Gryphon and the Green Gargoyle.  It goes a little longer than the Blue Sparkle, but earlier than the Green and has more backend snap than the Blue, but a little less than the Green.
    We received a lot of requests to try and fit a ball in between them, and while it was a challenge, I think we made one that will work perfectly.  This should help bowlers progress from the Green, to the new G-3, to the Blue Sparkle as the lanes begin to breakdown.
    I am attaching the G-3 drill sheet to this email so that you have all of the specs on the ball.  If you need anything else please let me know.
 
         Hope this helps,
         Jason Wonders
Visionary Bowling Products





Radius of Gyration: 2.497
Differential: .056
Flare Potential: High
Lane Conditions: Medium
Length (1-100): 73
Back End (1-100): 87
Hook - Oil (1-100): 55
Hook - Dry (1-100): 88
Coverstock: G-3 Pearlized Reactive
Color: Red/Navy
Factory Finish: 1500 Polish
Hardness: 74-77
Title: Re: G3 - Two toned Gryphon?
Post by: TwoFourEightNineNine on November 25, 2003, 10:08:43 AM
Is this ball released yet? If not, i'm gonna wait before I join the test staff...
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Title: Re: G3 - Two toned Gryphon?
Post by: Pye on November 25, 2003, 10:58:40 AM
Jeremy,

Today, 11-24 it was released to test staffers.  So get signed up!!!!

Terry
Title: Re: G3 - Two toned Gryphon?
Post by: Pye on November 25, 2003, 03:07:04 PM
Fencer,

Being a little rev challenged, (My Granite is drilled 3 3/8 stacked, my Burgundy Gryphon is 4 1/2 x 5 and my blue is 3 3/8 x 5 with the Green Gargoyle pin centered right above the fingers with the cg kicked out about an inch on the grip centerline.) with that said I think I would try this ball somewhere between the 3 3/8's and 4" stack drill for me depending on what my driller thought.

So far I couldn't be happier with the Gryphons performance.  The Blue was a little freaky at first but a little Control-It in the spinner knocked off just enough tack to bring it around to exactly what I wanted when I had it drilled.

Unfortunately I'm probably happier than I've ever been with the six balls I have right now and can't justify picking up one of these G3's or the Slate Blue Gargoyle at this time. Played that last year experimenting with the Gargoyles vs: the Executioners vs: the DC series etc and almost got lost.  Execution are good balls but I bowl much better with the length vs: cover the Gargoyles and now the Gryphons have given me.  Just seem to get better angle into the pocket.  The only exception is the axis leverage drilled Scorcher for those days you could paddle a canoe down the lanes for all the oil!
Title: Re: G3 - Two toned Gryphon?
Post by: O on November 25, 2003, 04:29:58 PM
I became a test staffer.  I'm drilling the G3, Burgundy Gryphon, Granite and Green Gargoyles today.  Eagerly anticipating trying them out.  I'll keep you posted on what I find.
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Dominic A. Pelc

Edited on 11/25/2003 5:26 PM