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Kyanite

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General Question.....
« on: December 02, 2007, 11:29:17 AM »
Would you Visionaries out there say that the solid Orge is the "benchmark ball" of the company at this time....?  Orge line seems to hit pretty hard from what I hear......
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Re: General Question.....
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2007, 07:41:57 PM »
Thanks...... The pearl (purple or the SS)...?  I have read most of the educated reviews concerning the balls..., I would think that the pearl would promote too much length and not read the mids as well as the solid........
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Re: General Question.....
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2007, 08:41:27 PM »
Because of its stock 600 grit finish is far too dull except for high speed bowler, the solid Ogre with its stock surface is not a benchmark ball. Sand it finer, for your amount of revs, say 1500 - 4000 grit and it is a GREAT "true" benchmark ball.

The Ogre pearl (the "Blurple") has more potential, with its stock surface and a normally strong drill (depending on your hand) to be a benchmark ball.
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Re: General Question.....
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2007, 08:42:25 PM »
Pearl Ogre is an arcing pearl not skid flip like the SS, Greenie, G-3.  I'd say the Pearl is a good benchmark ball but I prefer solid benchmark balls but I do like the reaction of the Pearl better than the Solid.
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Kyanite

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Re: General Question.....
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2007, 08:54:27 PM »
Interesting guys........ great info....

Charlest.... in an early thread you stated, "The Immortal pearl and the 'Blurple' are, in general terms, the replacements for the AMB Centaur pearl, if you wanted a similar ball ball reaction, with the Immortal being slightly more ball overall (overall hook, backend and handling oil and probably handling more carrydown)."

I know the comparison was in regards to the AMB Centaur pearl..., but your stating that the Immortal Pearl is a more overall hooking ball than the Ogre Pearl.... correct?  And if so, the backend must be more "ARCISH" that the Ogre Pearl, as well?
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Re: General Question.....
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2007, 09:13:25 PM »
Burple is your answer . (Period)
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Re: General Question.....
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2007, 09:25:49 PM »
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Interesting guys........ great info....

Charlest.... in an early thread you stated, "The Immortal pearl and the 'Blurple' are, in general terms, the replacements for the AMB Centaur pearl, if you wanted a similar ball ball reaction, with the Immortal being slightly more ball overall (overall hook, backend and handling oil and probably handling more carrydown)."

I know the comparison was in regards to the AMB Centaur pearl..., but your stating that the Immortal Pearl is a more overall hooking ball than the Ogre Pearl.... correct?  And if so, the backend must be more "ARCISH" that the Ogre Pearl, as well?
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Remember that such comparisons are only in the most general of terms, with the unspoken factors of
- an average or normal drill (not 6" pin-PAP and not 5" above the midline either)
- a bowler with a true average rev rate (not league average, which may be 200 rpms)
- a bowler with average ball speed.

The Immortal's potentially HUGE flare amount and the Ogre's potentially very small flare amount must be taken into account. In general, the Immortal's large flare rate will tend to burn up some of the ball's energy before the backend making it more arc-like than the average strong pearl resin. (So it also has the potential to be a benchmark ball. Keep in mind that few pearl resins qualify. The Ogre pearl and the Radar are two that can be for many people.)
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scotts33

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Re: General Question.....
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2007, 09:29:30 PM »
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(So it also has the potential to be a benchmark ball. Keep in mind that few pearl resins qualify. The Ogre pearl and the Radar are two that can be for many people.)


You bet have and used both as benchmark.  Right on Jeff!
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Re: General Question.....
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2007, 09:38:10 PM »
Kyanite,

The Immortal Pearl is a little more to the skid/flip side as compared to the Ogre Pearl.  On a heavier condition, the Immortal Pearl will have a little more oil capability than the Ogre Pearl.  On a lighter condition, the backend on the IP will be too much for the bowler to handle, so the Ogre will be more controllable.  IMO, the IP is a G-3 on steroids and the Ogre Pearl is more comparable to the AMB Centaur Pearl in regards to oil handling and overall ball reaction.

To answer your question, a ball can be more overall hook and still be more backend hook.  It does not necessarily mean that a ball with more overall hook is more arch-ish.  

EX:  If you took a Green Gargoyle and compared it to a IP, the IP is more ball and yet is not what I would call arch-ish on the backend, and yet both are considered to be skid/flip type of bowling balls.



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Kyanite

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Re: General Question.....
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2007, 09:39:29 PM »
Thanks for everyone's help......

I'm aware of those stated variables.
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Kyanite

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Re: General Question.....
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2007, 09:52:50 PM »
With the IP as a lower RG and larger flare ball than the OP, I thought the ball would rev a bit earlier and lose more energy and therefore be a bit smoother overall and arcish on the backend.... considering they are both pearl reactives.... (although they are evidently not the same cover)


Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: General Question.....
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2007, 10:04:26 PM »
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With the IP as a lower RG and larger flare ball than the OP, I thought the ball would rev a bit earlier and lose more energy and therefore be a bit smoother overall and arcish on the backend.... considering they are both pearl reactives.... (although they are evidently not the same cover)


Thanks for the clarification.
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According to Jason Wonders, commenting here on ballreviews, if I may paraphrase him, the Ogre pearl, the "blurple", is as close as they can come to having the reaction of a particle pearl ball, with actually having the particles in it.
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Re: General Question.....
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2007, 10:05:44 PM »
I have seen the Ogre Solid in action on a frictiony wood house playing the ditch by a higher speed (around 18MPH) / medium rev (between 275-325) player and to me it should have hooked more.  I dont know what it would have done in my hands (I have way more hand than that guy) but I was suprised it didn't roll up sooner and he said the same thing..  I was playing the same shot he was the day before with a FMG and I was way way left of where he was.  Probably 15-20 boards at the arrows with similar break points.

Anyway, I'd have to say the FMG is a very good ball to fill the benchmark duties and while its not as new or flashy as the ogre line it had alot more midlane read and they both hit well sending messengers everywhere (my FMG is at 1000 grit and a light touch of polish).

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Re: General Question.....
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2007, 04:40:27 AM »
REvans284,

Regarding the Ogre solid not seeming to hook enough, remember that it was designed as a control ball AND it has an RG differential of only .029. That equates to only 3-4" of flare maximum, probably 1-2" for most people. Mine only started to hook a lot after I took it to 4000 grit matte.

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Re: General Question.....
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2007, 05:35:16 AM »
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Regarding the Ogre solid not seeming to hook enough, remember that it was designed as a control ball AND it has an RG differential of only .029. That equates to only 3-4" of flare maximum, probably 1-2" for most people. Mine only started to hook a lot after I took it to 4000 grit matte.

 


For me, the Solid O will work very well on a wet/dry wall at 4000 ab for the most part.  Takes away the over reaction you'll see on that type of condition.  On a blended condition not as well unless you are squared up more. Swing shots can hang because of the low differential.  At least that's my experience.  Medium speed, medium rev tweener.
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