Post by: beeker on April 20, 2004, 01:01:38 AM
Post by: TheDude on April 20, 2004, 08:26:47 PM
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Post by: charlest on April 20, 2004, 09:34:43 PM
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Post by: TheDude on April 20, 2004, 10:09:04 PM
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Post by: Outrage300 on April 20, 2004, 10:24:09 PM
a couple of months ago. What a sweet ball. Love the roll, and hit.
I will definately have to get a Centaur to go along with my Gargoyles
and the DC Tour.
Outrage
Post by: beeker on April 21, 2004, 10:38:46 AM
Post by: Shoutout33 on April 21, 2004, 04:51:32 PM
To be truthfully honest with you guys, if VPB isn't using the Centaur to replace anything in their line-up, why would they aim at the medium lane conditions again? They have the Greenie, Crimson EX, Blue Sparkle, Purple EX, and the G-3. If you can't find a line with any these balls on medium conditions...well, jeez!
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When you've moved up, moved back, adjusted left and right, cupped, flattened out, have thrown everyting in your arsenal, and the pins still don't cooperate, just say, "Aw to HELL with it!", and throw the ball!
Post by: Jeffrevs on April 22, 2004, 07:31:08 AM
I agree with the rest of your post though....VBP is very slow to update their website!
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Post by: charlest on April 22, 2004, 08:04:46 AM
If the Centaur has a cover anything like the Charcoal Exec, but has the DC core, it is only rational to assume that it must be able to handle 1/2 to a full degree more oil than the Charcoal did. Plus, the DC core is a lot stronger than the Executioner core: it has more flare and I strongly suspect the Mass Bias offset is considerably stronger also.
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Post by: Shoutout33 on April 22, 2004, 10:15:37 AM
I guess I'm just anxious to see where this ball will fit in VBP's arsenal so I can make a decision to see if I'd get now or later. Ok, how about this. Do you all think that it will move as much as the Burgandy? Me, I honestly doubt it, but think about it. If it moves (hypothetically speaking...) more than the Charcoal EX, wouldn't that put it in the med. heavy oil oil category? Yeah, I know you have to take in consideration drilling, coverstock preparation, and location but if this is the case, where else could you put it? Is there that big a gap between the Burgandy and the Charcoal EX?
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When you've moved up, moved back, adjusted left and right, cupped, flattened out, have thrown everyting in your arsenal, and the pins still don't cooperate, just say, "Aw to HELL with it!", and throw the ball!
Post by: Sir_rev-a-lot on April 22, 2004, 11:01:57 AM
Post by: crankncrash on April 22, 2004, 05:15:10 PM
Post by: beeker on April 23, 2004, 02:17:32 AM
Dear Test Staff Member,
The following is information on the new release of the centaur:
Core Design:
This core is a modified version of our original DC Core. By removing the bottom cap, thickening the neck at the top, making the inner portion all one density and then wrapping it with a light spherical wrap, we were able to create a dynamic core with an extremely low differential.
Low RG: 2.61"
Differential: .015"
This change in core design makes the ball much more driller friendly, and most bowlers should be able to use their favorite drilling on this ball without being to concerned with killing the reaction.
Coverstock Design:
The shell on this ball is a new Green/Blue Solid Reactive coverstock. This new coverstock is very user friendly and can be easily adjusted to fit anyone's style. Out of the box, this ball will be 1,000 matte (gray scotchbrite Pad), but don't be afraid to polish or scuff it as needed for different reactions.
General Notes:
Due to the extremely low differential, this ball will have less flare potential than a lot of our previous balls. Out of the box, bowlers with a lot of hand should have success on most medium oil patterns, while bowlers with less hand may need to have slightly drier conditions for it to excel. Scuffed up, this ball will begin to roll earlier and provide a strong, continuous arc to the pocket allowing it to handle more oil. Polished this ball will go very long, and be more snappy on the backends.
This ball should be a nice general purpose ball for most bowlers, being dominant on most house conditions. This may quickly become the first ball out of your bag.
They also sent me a a picture of the ad that will be sent out to pro-shops. I don't know how to post a pic so I guess you guys will have to wait until the 28th when Visionary has it on their site. I hope this info helps...
Post by: Jeffrevs on April 23, 2004, 08:19:06 AM
Differential: .015"
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Post by: Shoutout33 on April 23, 2004, 11:45:46 AM
I take back any earlier confusion on my part.
Well, I know I have to wait to see the reviews so I'm going to be paitent and see what everyone has to say about it.--------------------
When you've moved up, moved back, adjusted left and right, cupped, flattened out, have thrown everyting in your arsenal, and the pins still don't cooperate, just say, "Aw to HELL with it!", and throw the ball!
Post by: TheDude on April 23, 2004, 01:29:02 PM
eeep that is a really low flaring ball. well it will be a control ball for sure. the Urethane gargoyle i think has a higher Differential if i am not mistaken. (thinks) what in the heck am i supposed to do with this thing>>
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Post by: beeker on April 24, 2004, 02:11:20 PM
Anyway, I'm hoping the Centaur will give me the control, hit and carry I need for constantly changing wood lanes and be usable for an entire set.
Post by: wkf0908 on April 25, 2004, 08:16:08 AM
i don't think it is suitable for today's bowler, a
ball.Sorry, visionary!!!!!!
Post by: charlest on April 25, 2004, 09:30:16 AM
Control yourself already. You're judging a book by it cover and you'll be wrong, IF YOU DO THAT, about 90% of the time.
Remember the core and its dynamic do NOT rule a ball's performance. The core can only modify what the cover is set-up to do. It's the engine and tires analogy all over again. Remember that cause you have to live with it.
The key word here that I think we all misinterpreted is "modified". The didn't modify the DC core; I think they radically changed it. It had a very high RG differential (.058) and probably a fairly high mass bias. So, now, with a .016" RG Differential, with a high RG (2.61) and a solid resin core, my guess is they are issuing a replacement for the Purple Ice and it will meant to be a control ball. I will have to modify my estimate and say this ball's performance will depend totally on the ball's surface.
It should handle over/under like a champ, but it will not have a huge backend, in all probability. If you're fluffer and you depend on a ball's high RG differential (& potential for flare) to give you backend, you can forget it with this one.
Of course, there's always the possibility that it will be like Hammer's Big Blue: it has a very low RG DIff, but it is a huge hooking ball and must have medium-heavy oil, at a minumum, to perform at its best.
We shall see.
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Post by: Strider on April 25, 2004, 09:54:20 AM
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Post by: wkf0908 on April 25, 2004, 10:28:50 AM
quote:WHY? i just said something that i thought? what's wrong? i just said I THINK it's may not suitable for today's bowler. You guys working with visionary?? may be you guys can ask the holds of this forum to delete any opinion that you guys didn't agree with it.
Control yourself already
you guys also can ask the holds to cancel my account TOO.
TOTALLY DISAPPOINTED WITH THIS FORUM!!!!
Post by: Juggernaut on April 25, 2004, 11:05:09 AM
Maybe your name should br W.T.F. instead. You are the one spouting negativism about an item that was otherwise being bandied about in a normal manner. And as far as being a ball for todays bowler, I bought a v2dry just exactly because it DOES have the lowest diff. numbers I could find. I still play it as a hook ball, even though it is drilled 6 1/2 X 5 1/2.
If you had any hand in the ball, or any knowledge of the real game of bowling, you could easily see where this ball would be an ASSET to the TOP bowlers of the day who would know how and when to use it.
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Post by: Strider on April 25, 2004, 11:09:43 AM
By using a giant font, bold letters, and denouncing a ball you've never tried based on one spec, you invite critism. Charlest backed up his arguement with some good facts. Not just "you're wrong", in giant letters.
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Post by: TheDude on April 25, 2004, 10:06:30 PM
Sort of reminds me of the Pirhana Retro. Ball for me got through the head and middles so nicely and still revved up alot and has some pop in the backends. it was good for me on wood lanes mostly when there was a fried track usually.
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on April 26, 2004, 12:39:17 AM
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If anyone out there is worried about the scores being too high, try duckpin!!
Post by: charlest on April 26, 2004, 03:53:19 AM
quote:quote:WHY? i just said something that i thought? what's wrong? i just said I THINK it's may not suitable for today's bowler. You guys working with visionary?? may be you guys can ask the holds of this forum to delete any opinion that you guys didn't agree with it.
Control yourself already
you guys also can ask the holds to cancel my account TOO.
TOTALLY DISAPPOINTED WITH THIS FORUM!!!!
It's not your opinion; it's your huge fonts that make your typing as if you are screaming at everybody. Screaming does not make your opinion any more valid than anyone else's.
BTW I stated that I think that your opinion is wrong ONLY because you are doing yourself an injustice by eliminating this ball from consideration SOLELY based on rumors about its specifications. Why not wait and see how it performs before making that judgement?
The rest of us are only speculating on how we think it may perform based on its sepcs. You, on the other hand, are going so far as to say you would never use, based on its specs.
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Post by: wkf0908 on April 27, 2004, 12:20:25 PM
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it's your huge fonts that make your typing as if you are screaming at everybody.
i just use it because it's one of the function in the reply box. i don't know huge fonts will scream EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
so you must ask them to delete this function. O.K.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
furthermore, i just said my thinking in the forum, this is a forum, you know!! it's not a court for something for judge!!!!!!!!
Edited on 4/27/2004 12:13 PM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on April 27, 2004, 12:43:47 PM
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i don't know huge fonts will scream EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Sigh, it is almost like one of the unwritten rules of the internet highway. All caps is considered screaming. Maybe some people consider the large fonts to be an extension of that. Another unwritten rule was to lurk on a new site or forum for a while to determine the way the members behave before you jump in.
More than that, if you go back and read your replies, it seems that you have a bit of an attitude and that is what some people may have picked up on and replied about. Remember that a lot of times, what is written does not come across as the writer meant it to. There are no facial expressions or tone of voice to convey the deeper meanings that are usually passed on in conversations so care must be taken to get your true meanings across so expect to get some flack at times when something that we write is not received as it was intended.
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Post by: livespive on April 27, 2004, 01:44:31 PM
I haven't recieved any of my info from them yet.
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Post by: roystriker on April 27, 2004, 02:03:24 PM
Sent you a link to check out.
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Post by: gbushman on April 27, 2004, 11:39:16 PM
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Sent you a link to check out.
Could you post the link for ALL of us?
Post by: roaddogg on April 28, 2004, 12:23:58 AM
http://www.visionarybowling.com/images/TestStaffCentaurInfo.html
Post by: stanski on April 28, 2004, 12:54:41 AM
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Post by: crankncrash on April 28, 2004, 01:58:31 AM
Post by: Shoutout33 on April 28, 2004, 11:42:24 AM
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When you've moved up, moved back, adjusted left and right, cupped, flattened out, have thrown everyting in your arsenal, and the pins still don't cooperate, just say, "Aw to HELL with it!", and throw the ball!
Post by: TheDude on April 28, 2004, 02:37:31 PM
am i the only one that makes the connection to the Ebonite TPC Warrior and this ball??
Similar( not the same) but visually it could be mistaken for the propeller core, and even the color too. It is a pearl resin, just as the warrior was, only much cheaper.
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Post by: AdrianS on April 29, 2004, 10:02:02 AM
Anyway low diff don't always mean 'weak' ball eg Pulse, Code Red from the old days and Big Blue now.--------------------
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Post by: J_Mac on May 07, 2004, 03:48:20 PM
BBR.com and Visionarybowling.com both have the info and pic's of the new Centaur up.
http://www.visionarybowling.com/
http://www.bowlingballreviews.com/ball.asp?ballid=2329
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Post by: charlest on May 07, 2004, 06:20:26 PM
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um, Charlest i want you to chime in on this ponder too just incase.
am i the only one that makes the connection to the Ebonite TPC Warrior and this ball??
Similar( not the same) but visually it could be mistaken for the propeller core, and even the color too. It is a pearl resin, just as the warrior was, only much cheaper.
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I am Canadian Dude! GOO BIG FIN!!! MIKA K ALL THE WAY!
If Visionary had left the core as the true DC COre, with all that flare and (my buess) large mass bias, then I would have said it was generally similar to the idea behind the Ebonite "propeller". But as we can now see from what Visionary has described on their website, the RG Differential is now extremely low (see the core on the new Columbia Super Trooper. Well, not the pictire BUT the actuare RG Differential - also VERY low.).
SO basically we have a dull resin CONTROL ball with a high RG (for some length) and a low differential. I'd guess the difference between it and the Super Trooper I mentioned above is that the Super Trooper has a polished solid resin cover and low RG. Pick your poison; I think both sould be veyr good medium to drier lanes balls.
My other opinion is that this is Visionary's replacement for the Purple Ice whose performance confused and mystified a lot of people. I have a feeling that thi smay be a fairly versatile ball for the intelligent bowler, with or without a lot of revs. With a high RG it won't be necessary to place the pin high above the bridge. I wonder if a pin on the PAP might also make a great rolling ball. Still some many possibilities.
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Post by: TheDude on May 08, 2004, 10:01:55 PM
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Post by: charlest on May 09, 2004, 08:52:50 AM
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Post by: charlest on May 10, 2004, 05:54:04 AM
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I was going to run out and buy a Super Trooper, but now with the specs of the Centaur, I am going to have to wait a little bit.
It is interesting to me that two totaly different companies have such a similiar idea.
Mike Hunt!
Mike,
Be aware that their low RG differential is the common link between these balls but they have more dissimilarities than similarities.
The Centaur comes dull, while the Super Trooper comes polished.
The Centaur's RG is high, about 2.61, while
the Super Trooper RG's is low, about 2.48 (16 lb) - 2.50 (15 lb).
Of course, their cover's being solid resin are easily modifiable. That would leave their basic RG as a major difference.
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Post by: Phillip Marlowe on May 10, 2004, 07:25:04 PM
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Post by: roaddogg on May 13, 2004, 11:40:35 AM
if so what is you take on the new ball
Post by: MI 2 AZ on May 13, 2004, 12:47:08 PM
Waiting to see what others have to say before I decide how to have it drilled.
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