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wa3579

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Immortal Pearl Layout Question
« on: January 29, 2008, 12:05:30 PM »
If anyone has any suggestions about how to lay this ball out I would greatly appreciate any help. I purchased a used one that Im looking plug and redrill. The previous users drill was the same as mine so I was able to test it out and get an idea of what it will do. I am RH,16-17 mph,revs maybe 300??(Ive never been able to get a reading). I dont know if you would call me a stroker or a tweener ,I play down and in throwing it over 8 out to 5. I come up the back with the thumb at 11:30 and have a lot of (maybe too much) forward roll. Right now the pin is a little over my ring finger at about a 2 o'clock. Pin is 2+1/2 from my PAP. If you look at the immortal drill chart I would say the pin is somewhere between C and D probably a little closer to C. Mass bias I estimate is about 1/4 inch off the edge of the thumb hole, looking at the drill chart between the 2 and 3 position a lot closer to the 2. On a house shot on the dry side,not much oil in the heads I get a slight angular move when it hits the dry (34-38 ft.?), then nothing, not even any more arc...just a straight flat roll to the pins.                          
Im looking to make this go long and snap (in other words,do what its designed to do),as all my current equipment is buring up too fast and nothing left at the pin deck. I know I need to get the pin out more than 2+1/2 but I dont want to put it out too far.

Thanks in advance !

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wa3579

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Re: Immortal Pearl Layout Question
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2008, 08:25:07 PM »
JT,thanks for your quick reply. Yes the heads are dry I cant say about the carry down for sure cuz I dont know. My last 2 solid balls (storm vertigo,fuze detonator)have no problem making it back to the hole...the 2 problems with those are (1) have to throw too hard to keep em on line and(2)they are weak hitting once they get there. Im beating the pocket to death and leaving nothing but corners and 8-10's. I was thinking switching to a pearl would be the answer.

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Re: Immortal Pearl Layout Question
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2008, 07:14:09 AM »
Try to change the surface , maybe go with a lower grit & then polish ? , Or go with 1000 or 2000 abralon NO polish. You should get more on the back end if you have carry down.
A polish ball that really likes dry boards will die if you have dry heads. It will use up all its energy too early.
I would try the abralon surface with no polish first and then if need you can polish it. good luck VBP balls are very easy to change the surface.
BTW next to my frankie may the Immortal pearl is the strongest ball i have. I really like my IP
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Re: Immortal Pearl Layout Question
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2008, 10:53:15 AM »
I agree with zfennell.  If you have alot of forward roll, your PAP is in the 5-5 1/2 area which means the pin to PAP on that ball is going to be around 4 1/2.  You will not need to drill that ball any stronger simply because you already have enough flare from the core.  Leave the drilling the way it is and adjust the cover.  My track is very high as well and most of the balls I have are drilled pin above the ring finger or above and slightly to the right of it. You should not have to plug and redrill anything unless you have to change the grip on it to fit you.
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wa3579

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Re: Immortal Pearl Layout Question
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2008, 08:53:34 PM »
OK,I've found out the following...I have a low track with the closest ring about 3+1/2 off my thumb. The problem isnt carrydown but is an extreme hook-set reaction (that I really dont like).  Also let me ask about this if anyone has an opinion..a proshop says my PAP is 2' over and 5/8 down, does this seem in the ball park for a low track player? I thought most peoples PAP was in the 4-5+1/2 over range.  If the proshop is accurate,this puts the pin to the right of my PAP,so whats that going to do to my reaction?

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Re: Immortal Pearl Layout Question
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2008, 09:10:10 PM »
2 over?!?!  I havent seen a PAP that close to the center of grip.  That means that your pins probably should not be farther right of your middle finger.  Chances are, you will have to put the pin to the left of your middle finger just to help get the ball through the heads.  The reason your ball is hook/set is because the pin is too close to your PAP and the ball loses all its energy too soon.  Definitely need to plug and redrill and get the pin farther away from your PAP.
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wa3579

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Re: Immortal Pearl Layout Question
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2008, 09:11:23 PM »
Bill...thanks for your advice. Im dont have the technical know how to answer all your questions but I can tell you this...Im getting almost 4" of flare with the rings 1/4 apart at the maximum span of the bow-tie. It doesnt look like its revving up all that much in the first 30 ft.etc but I cant really tell. But it does make a quick move at the dry then rolls straight at an angle to the pindeck. Personally that type of reaction leads me to think it poops out. To me that doesnt seem like a strong and/or energy conserving reaction

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Re: Immortal Pearl Layout Question
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2008, 09:16:58 PM »
wa3579,

I'd suggest you get with your pro shop/driller to make sure the ball is laid out correctly for you with your technique and PAP or talk to Jim Wonders at Visionary VBPmail@aol.com on your predicament.  

What you get on net forums is people that mean well but we can't see your special factors that you have with such a low track, etal.  It's just a crap shoot IMO.
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wa3579

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Re: Immortal Pearl Layout Question
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2008, 09:22:32 PM »
Thanks Steve, would you recommend pin to PAP 6+3/4 to get it far enough over?

wa3579

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Re: Immortal Pearl Layout Question
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2008, 10:02:41 AM »
I know Im just asking for opinions here, but when the proshop says my PAP is 2" over I think they may be measuring it wrong. Has anyone heard of a PAP 2" over or think its unusual. I assure you I dont think i have an odd release, I would say my release is pretty much old school, up the back of the ball and get it rolling.