Post by: agroves on November 03, 2006, 03:06:13 PM
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By the recommendation of Jim at Visionary I polished it up. The Rampage is box, 400 grit plus bwick High Gloss. The IS is box plus a coat of bwick high gloss. It still doesn't backend at all, nothing like buddies video thats for sure.
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4" pin to pap, mb at 45*. I'm disappointed that this ball doesn't fit in the arsenal where I wanted it too. It is VERY likely I drilled it too aggressive, heres why. I have a buddy, older guy, low rev rate. I asked him to throw the ball, our axis points are really close, the ball read the midlane and finished pretty good by comparison. If I cut the polish off, I'm sure it'd be a med to heavy oiler for him. I honestly believe the core has flared so much by 45-50 feet, that is laid completely over and thats why I get a "pin axis" backend reaction.
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Edited on 11/4/2006 1:16 AM
Post by: agroves on November 04, 2006, 12:21:25 AM
I finally got that Immortal Solid punched up. I used pin placement B, 4†from my axis, with the pin below the ring finger. We placed the vmb at 45*, or approx position 3. A weight hole is placed on a line from my center of grip, thru cg INSIDE my val. The finishing side weight was 5/8ths pos and ¾ thumb weight. The ball flares a TON, which I expected, but it doesn’t hook nearly as much as I expected. I’m sure your thinking, another idiot that doesn’t understand when aggressive balls roll out. I’m fully aware that the ball may have been burning up, so I moved in. Normally, I can’t get anything short of aggressive particle to square the pocket inside of ten at this house. Even with my rev rate, I normally bump outside the oil line. It moved in alittle more, but not much. I moved further in and it was DOA. The best look I got was 10-5 and carry was extremely suspect, as the ball appeared to be deflecting at entry.
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Andrew,
Based on the layout you described, my first reaction would be the ball is burning up and dying. With the pin below your ring finger this produces and earlier roll combined with 3/4 oz thumb will make it roll even sooner. With the amount this ball flares combined with the earlier rolling pin placement and thumb weight - I'd say it's trying too hard too early in the oil where you can't see much reaction and then when it hits the dry outside or backend it doesn't have much shifting left to do. Also, the 45* layout for many people can produce a hook/set type reaction. My first thought would be to try polishing it and see if the added length gives you more pop on the back. If so, you're definitely burning up too soon. Then you can either leave it polished if it works OK that way, or redrill it to retain energy and pop on the back. If you need to redrill it, I would put the pin above the fingers and keep the cg a lot closer to grip center than what you originally have. Try the polish first as that may be enough or would at least show if it's just burning up too soon without needing much work or expense.
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Post by: agroves on November 04, 2006, 02:33:56 PM
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Andrew, It has been in my experience with bowling in general that when you place the Cg closer to the Thumb, your creating Thumb weight which makes a ball roll sooner and if there is not enough oil down the lane to hold your Tilt down, the thumb weight get's the ball into a roll sooner with a flatter hit. I can't guarantee it but if you were to Plug that ball and move the Cg to or at least closer to the center of your grip line, you would get the reaction your looking for with the Immortal Solid!
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I agree with you, I think the aggressive layout with the thumb weight makes the ball flat on the back for me.
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Post by: Androooo on November 07, 2006, 06:11:14 AM
I, for one, got way more hook with a 5" pin than a 4" pin.
Too strong of a drilling for too much hand = Over-Flare