Post by: mab on August 04, 2007, 08:01:52 AM
Ogre Solid-Pumpkin Long/med-heavy
Ogre Pearl-Blurple med
Ogre SS-Blue/Silver med/when more backend is needed
Future looking at a Slate Blue Gargoyle or B/G Centaur-dry/short med
Any other suggestions?
drilling sugestions/cover preps, pap-4.5 over 1/4 down,11" track dia,17deg axis tilt,30-45 deg axis rot,300-350rpm,16mph
Edited on 8/19/2007 10:59 AM
Post by: TWOHAND834 on August 04, 2007, 04:09:31 PM
I can promise you one thing. If you do make the switch, you will be very happy with the performance as well as the durability of VBPs bowling balls.
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Post by: scotts33 on August 04, 2007, 05:10:12 PM
I'd start with one of the Ogre series <Solid or Pearl> and see how you like it before going hog wild.
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Post by: Lillen on August 05, 2007, 08:17:35 AM
I e-mailed Jason Wonders with a 3-4 ball arsenal question and he was very helpful..
The arsenal I asked about did include the three Ogre's and the Blue/Green Centaur (polished) for dry lanes..
So I'm getting the Ogre Solid first to see if I like it..
Post by: mab on August 05, 2007, 11:11:44 AM
Please Visionaries throw in your 2 cents any all opinions are valued and appreciated.
Mike
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Post by: MC on August 05, 2007, 02:51:59 PM
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Post by: mab on August 19, 2007, 11:00:30 AM
Post by: scotts33 on August 19, 2007, 11:09:53 AM
Suggest you work with your driller as he will know about your game more than any forum user. At least that's what I'd do.
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Post by: mab on August 19, 2007, 11:30:07 AM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on August 19, 2007, 03:25:52 PM
Not to offend anyone here, but why dont you email Visionary and ask them for their suggestions on the layouts since you just bought three balls? They have been very helpful in the past to many other bowlers.
On edit, just saw where you earlier wrote that you were emailing Visionary. Did you get a reply from them about layouts?
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Post by: mab on August 19, 2007, 06:53:35 PM
Thanks,
Mike
Post by: mab on August 19, 2007, 07:36:03 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on August 20, 2007, 09:21:17 AM
I know you are looking for some info. so here is what I would do. Of course this totally depends on your technique and typical patterns you might bowl on.
I am pretty near your stats. I am also a tweener same speed 4 7/8 over 0, revs 300-325. You are a bit more inverted I am not.
FMG--I'd go with a stronger layout as this will be your oil ball <3 3/8" to 4" pin to PAP> pin down deg layout depends on strong you want the ball to finish. I use degree layouts on everything. FMG early rolly type ball. Good for heavier patterns. 600-1000 abralon.
Solid Ogre--Pin next to ring or pin over <pin 4" to 4 1/2" pin to PAP> maybe 60 deg. as this should make it a good benchmark ball for you. Medium to heavier medium. 1000 abralon. I use mine at 1000 abralon works well on fresh THS's with no over reaction because of surface.
Pearl Ogre--Pin over ring <4 1/2" pin to PAP> deg. layout depends on how you want the ball to finish. Pearl Ogre will fight a slight amount of carrydown. Floats easily thru heads. Light medium to medium. Box surface or slight scuff with polish over. charlest and TrimMan have a post on what they did to theirs. See their posts.
SS Ogre--I get mine drilled tonite so I don't have as much knowledge as others. I'll be laying mine out probably 5" to 5 1/2" pin over with CG in palm probably 90 deg. somewhat like twister laid his out. twister is a higher rev player than I so take that into account. twisters stats. are same as mine except rev rate. Leaving mine box. Should be good ball for inside angles with enough pop to carry well.
Green/Blue--Pin over could put pin over bridge <5 to 5 1/2" pin to PAP> CG kicked out MB 1" right of theumb. Since this ball is so under reactive I tend to use mine on wet/dry house blocks. I tend not to use mine on inside angles others may but I do not find it carries as well as your Pearl will or an SS or Greenie. Not as much backend. On flying backends it may. Crankers also might get better carry than I do. I get lots of pinging 10's when I move inside. 1000-1200 abralon for a down and in wet/dry THS.
FWIW.....what I'd do is go with layouts that have been working for you in the past. What's great about Visionary equipment is there are no tricky drilling you'll need. They all hit well and surface adjust very well. Covers will hold up against any out their. I'd compare LM/L covers and Visionary's as the two longest lasting covers out there today.
Good luck and let us know how it works out for you.
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Post by: Badger856 on August 20, 2007, 10:51:31 AM
I would find a drill pattern that you like on one ball first and drill all three similiar. The difference in coverstock should be enough to cover the wide range you might see. I like the 60 degree pattern and I usually tweak the pin height to get a reaction I like. I have the solid ogre and ss both drilled the same, a 60 degree with the pin slightly about the ring finger in the solid and a 60 degree on the ss with my ring finger drilled in the pin. Awesome thing about Visionary is you can drill in the pin. I've found I can cover all conditions with these balls and patterns. Scott, let me know how you like the SS. I have three games on it and it reminds me a lot of the origianl Inferno....it is that good.
Post by: scotts33 on August 20, 2007, 11:00:14 AM
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Scott, let me know how you like the SS. I have three games on it and it reminds me a lot of the origianl Inferno....it is that good.
Sheesh if it's that good I'll be happy original Inferno was the best one of the bunch IMO.
I wouldn't disagree with Darin's ascessement about the 60 deg. layouts being a middle of the road arc type layout either it just depends on how you want the ball to finish mab. 60 deg. w/ pin over usually keeps most folks out of trouble.
Do know that Badger 856/Darin is higher rev and high speed so I'd take that into account.
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Post by: Badger856 on August 20, 2007, 12:20:25 PM
Post by: mab on August 20, 2007, 03:24:56 PM
I appreciate your suggestions and comments. After reading all the posts here and gathering the info the covers/cores seem to be so much stronger then what I have been useing. I just did not want to go in drilling a ball too strong or too weak I figure that since my ball hawk days are over I wanted to do these balls right the first time. And am looking forward to using them for quite a few years to come. I will be in touch after I get them drilled and post the drillings and results after I put some games on them. And hope some day I can help out others here in this Forum like you guys have so generously helped me.
Thank You,
Mike