Author Topic: slate blue gargoyle (Read 1243 times)

Spartan · « **on:** February 20, 2008, 06:42:08 AM »

hello all,
i have been looking more and more at visionary and i like what i see. it just so happens that i'm in the market for a dry lane ball. the other day, my pro shop guy recommended a slate blue. he pulled out an NIB, 15lb, 3 inch pin gem, the last one he had.
$100 drilled.
i really need a dry lane ball. should i get this ball, and how should i drill it for use on medium dry to dry lanes with a good amount of movement?
my stats are in my profile. any help is appreciated. thanks!
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Badger856 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 20, 2008, 02:45:50 PM »

Spartan,

I would suggest some caution, I have drilled the Slate up for my brother and in my opinion it is not a dry lane ball. Perhaps depending on how you drill it, it could be or what you call dry. But for him on meduim/light the ball actually is pretty strong. I would suggest a real weak drill

getuaload · « **Reply #2 on:** February 20, 2008, 05:04:39 PM »

I agree with badger on this, My slate blue is pretty stong and its drilled mild. If you are truly looking for a dry lane ball give the blue/green centaur a shot that is my dry lane ball.
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darkman · « **Reply #3 on:** February 20, 2008, 05:07:37 PM »

Here's a video showcases Visionary's Slate Blue Gargoyle, don't know if it will help, the conditions were medium. I have the ball set up pin below the fingers and CG kicked out to give an earlier role and smooth out the hook ( I am lefty, with likely slower ball speed than you and lesser revolutions.) For my style on the typical dry to medium shot I face the ball gets good midlane length and has a nice arcing motion on the backends - the dryer the condition the more heavier - powerfull the arc is. Goodluck!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBslylcACY0

Edited on 2/20/2008 6:24 PM

rbroller815 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 20, 2008, 09:01:07 PM »

for 100 drilled you cant go wrong. drill it semi weak it should be fine on dry.
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imjouster · « **Reply #5 on:** February 20, 2008, 11:35:42 PM »

keep the pin low on it and you should be fine. for some reason the gargoyle core seems to really be picky on how high the pin is placed. My friend and I both have a green gargoyle, mine is drilled pin under bridge, his is pin over ring. talk about 2 differen't beasts, mine is nice and controlled, his is super snappy and super strong. My slate blue is drilled pin over ring and it is definately stronger than I would have liked, but i'm sure if you drilled it with like a pin next to ring or under you would be fine. hope this helps!

Jeremy
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REvans284 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 20, 2008, 11:41:47 PM »

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keep the pin low on it and you should be fine. for some reason the gargoyle core seems to really be picky on how high the pin is placed. My friend and I both have a green gargoyle, mine is drilled pin under bridge, his is pin over ring. talk about 2 differen't beasts, mine is nice and controlled, his is super snappy and super strong. My slate blue is drilled pin over ring and it is definately stronger than I would have liked, but i'm sure if you drilled it with like a pin next to ring or under you would be fine. hope this helps!

Jeremy
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"If you compare yourself with others,
you may become vain and bitter;
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans."

Taken from Desiderata

Proud user of Columbia 300 and Visionary Bowling Products

Agreed... My GG is drilled the same way as your friend's and is exactly as you described, I wish I could get another one and drill it pin down and CG out...

My Slate is drilled pin under ring CG stacked below. It was too sharp for me and also a bit late and over/under because it doesn't like carry down well, so I hit it with a grey SB pad. The thing is as strong as my Violet now.. And it smoothed it out too. I dont want an overlap so I took it up to 2000 abrolon and haven't had a chance to throw it since, but I will probably sub tomorrow and we will see how it reacts. But same is true for the entire gargoyle line, keep the pin low, and (preferably for me) the CG out and the ball will be very smooth and controllable.

Later,

REvans284

dizzyfugu · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2008, 02:34:55 AM »

IMHO, it is a good ball for very late games and/or light oil. For total dry shots, it can be too much, even though I am surprised how well the ball handles even burnt lanes.

From my specimen I can warn you not to drill it too strong. The core is not weak - mine is drilled stacked leverage (since it was the first SBG taht my pro shop ever punched up, we did not know what to expect from it), and with this setup it handles fresh light oil and short patterns, but if it gets dry, the ball will break too early for my taste. It still works, never bruning up, but it moves too early, and tends to go Brooklyn what ever I try. Since it is drilled that strong, it also tends to hook out on this condition, so that it is difficult to create enough hook and entry angle if I want to move deep. With what I know today, I'd better had the pin set higher (at least finger height) and maybe even a bit further away from my PAP, just to get more length from the core. The coverstock is not the problem, this is so hard and glides through any leftover oil with easy, that the SBG is IMHO a very good choice.
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JessN16 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 23, 2008, 10:35:35 PM »

One of the 10 best balls I've ever thrown.

Going against the grain of this thread, mine is drilled pin up over the ring with the CG in the palm. L-O-V-E ... I-T.

Jess

Yellow Dot · « **Reply #9 on:** February 23, 2008, 11:15:36 PM »

Anybody know where to find a Slate Blue Gargoyle I've been looking for one ?

witesoxwoz22 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 23, 2008, 11:24:17 PM »

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Anybody know where to find a Slate Blue Gargoyle I've been looking for one ?

Allstarbowling has some for 97.00, but that is a high risk high reward move if you know what I mean.
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Yellow Dot · « **Reply #11 on:** February 24, 2008, 04:23:02 AM »

Thanks for the info

Spartan · « **Reply #12 on:** February 24, 2008, 05:06:56 PM »

alright! i got it drilled. laid out very similar to jess's. pin somewhat over equal to the ring finger, cg a little right of palm. we kept the static weights high to give the ball some finish. first test comes tonight in open play and tomorrow in league. i'll post my results along with a picture then. thanks!
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charlest · « **Reply #13 on:** February 24, 2008, 06:45:53 PM »

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alright! i got it drilled. laid out very similar to jess's. pin somewhat over equal to the ring finger, cg a little right of palm. we kept the static weights high to give the ball some finish.

Not applicable with dynamic cores, like the Slate Blue has.

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first test comes tonight in open play and tomorrow in league. i'll post my results along with a picture then. thanks!
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Urethanes and even pearl urethanes tend to hook, try to go into a roll much earlier than most polished resins, even most polished mild solids. I drilled my "old" 15 lb Slate Blue (I went back to 16 lbs) with the pin above and to the right of the ring finger and the CG stacked below. I rarely put the pin above the ring finger and even more rarely to the right AND above the ring finger. It got decent length and even slightly more than my 1000 grit stock Centuar. About as much as my 2000 grit Centaur (didn't keep it at 1000 grit fo rvery long). The SBG still required a decent amount oil, even with that relatively mild, but still dynamic core.

Haven't yet drilled up my 16 lb SBG.

Unless to sand the cover to 2000 or 4000 grit AND then re-polish it, OR if you have high ball speed AND low revs, the SBG is not for dry lanes.

It is for CONTROL, BUT it still hits hard.

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REvans284 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 25, 2008, 03:31:14 PM »

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quote:
keep the pin low on it and you should be fine. for some reason the gargoyle core seems to really be picky on how high the pin is placed. My friend and I both have a green gargoyle, mine is drilled pin under bridge, his is pin over ring. talk about 2 differen't beasts, mine is nice and controlled, his is super snappy and super strong. My slate blue is drilled pin over ring and it is definately stronger than I would have liked, but i'm sure if you drilled it with like a pin next to ring or under you would be fine. hope this helps!

Jeremy
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"Strive to be perfect, that is afterall the only way to become perfect."

"If you compare yourself with others,
you may become vain and bitter;
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans."

Taken from Desiderata

Proud user of Columbia 300 and Visionary Bowling Products

Agreed... My GG is drilled the same way as your friend's and is exactly as you described, I wish I could get another one and drill it pin down and CG out...

My Slate is drilled pin under ring CG stacked below. It was too sharp for me and also a bit late and over/under because it doesn't like carry down well, so I hit it with a grey SB pad. The thing is as strong as my Violet now.. And it smoothed it out too. I dont want an overlap so I took it up to 2000 abrolon and haven't had a chance to throw it since, but I will probably sub tomorrow and we will see how it reacts. But same is true for the entire gargoyle line, keep the pin low, and (preferably for me) the CG out and the ball will be very smooth and controllable.

Later,

REvans284

To add to my last post, I tried it at 2000 abrolon and it was still smooth but not quite as smooth as I like (probably due to drilling) with a bit too sharp of a move off the dry. The ball hits hard though, and I scuffed it by hand at 1000. 800 was too much like my other ball, 2000 a tad too skid/snapish, we will see what 1000 does, maybe I'll get lucky and it be right for me. (again though, I'm a slightly rev dominant player and thats why its probably angular).

Later,

REvans284

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