Post by: lenstanles703 on November 20, 2008, 11:31:32 PM
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Post by: jbuzz31 on November 21, 2008, 09:40:15 AM
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Ive Eaten From The Insane Root That Imprisons Reason
Post by: lenstanles703 on November 21, 2008, 02:20:58 PM
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Edited on 11/21/2008 3:26 PM
Post by: mrbowlingnut on November 24, 2008, 10:37:19 PM
Very continuous reminded me of a pearl Cell not the Cell Pearl to be confused which for me is alot straighter than the solid.
Beautiful colors and lots of nice continuous hook, it will be one of there best selling balls in a long time.
Post by: Lillen on November 25, 2008, 03:58:11 AM
Can't wait..
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Post by: zmansmustang on November 25, 2008, 11:34:33 AM
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if you have to adjust the surface, you either bought the wrong ball or you can't adjust
Post by: mrbowlingnut on November 25, 2008, 11:40:45 AM
Yes plain dang ugly would be the colors of the solid, Jason should ditch the solid colors real quick and just make them all the same pearl and solid the orange is very nice to say the least.
Post by: scotts33 on November 25, 2008, 11:48:57 AM
Performance always supercedes appearance......in bowling equipment.
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Post by: zmansmustang on November 25, 2008, 12:45:25 PM
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if you have to adjust the surface, you either bought the wrong ball or you can't adjust
Post by: scotts33 on November 25, 2008, 02:32:20 PM
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Some how Jason decided to send me an Info sheet on these new balls and 1 thing jumped to mind, both of these balls use the same core as the old Hammer Spike with a slight alteration for a stronger Mb, if any of you have received the same offer/Info sheet I did, take a close look @ the Hammer Spike and compare. http://bowlingballreviews.com/ball.asp?ballid=164
Been discussed prior 11/21 here http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?CategoryID=2&ForumID=15&TopicID=220162&PageNum=3
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Post by: All10 on November 25, 2008, 03:05:48 PM
Post by: gsback on November 25, 2008, 03:17:35 PM
I mentioned something in another post about what it's got to be like to come up with colors and designs, etc....and it's got to be tough. And I am not taking a shot at you when I say this, but I think that the people that are outspoken are so on everything.
Go into the PBA forum and for every one person you find, like me, who is disappointed that he missed the PBA show and will watch them no matter what they idea is.....there are 3 or more that tell you it sucked....or that they could do better producing it....or coming up with ideas.
As I said before....the idea is to get people interested in the ball!! Hammer has been doing that with the different releases. It's my opinion that the Toxics were the same....shock value. But again, if that's what it takes to get people to notice....then that's how you approach it!!
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Post by: gsback on November 25, 2008, 03:19:21 PM
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Ok Scott, thanks for the link but I saw no mention of how Visionary could use the Spike core in the New Breed? I thought that when FABAL was bought out by Ebonite, Ebonite bought all rights to All Fabal's cores/cover's, did I miss something in that transaction, did Visionary pay Ebonite/Hammer for the rights to this core or did Hammer only buy the Name?
I don't remember Jason ever saying it was the same design as the Spike core. I think it you look at enough cores, they start to resemble on another over time as there are only so many variations I am sure you can make.
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Post by: mainzer on November 25, 2008, 03:21:24 PM
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on November 25, 2008, 04:03:12 PM
Post by: gsback on November 26, 2008, 05:06:39 AM
I guess my point was that for the most part, a core is a core and unless there is a specific patent on it for some reason....I would think everyone 'borrows' a little from someone else over time, that's all.
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Post by: Spike2112 on November 26, 2008, 05:39:12 AM
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Performance always supercedes appearance......in bowling equipment.
That's the bottom line! I could care less if they put Spyro on the friggin' thing, it's a Visionary ball and I have no doubts it will roll, hit and carry as all Visionary balls do. If I didn't already have 6 awesome Visionary balls in my current arsenal (that I'm perfectly happy with right now), I'd have one of these weapons in my bag. I'm sure the forthcoming reviews will prove me right.
Spike
Post by: gsback on November 27, 2008, 05:06:50 AM
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That's the bottom line! I could care less if they put Spyro on the friggin' thing, it's a Visionary ball and I have no doubts it will roll, hit and carry as all Visionary balls do. If I didn't already have 6 awesome Visionary balls in my current arsenal (that I'm perfectly happy with right now, though I'd really like to add another 3 to it!!), I'd have one of these weapons in my bag. I'm sure the forthcoming reviews will prove me right.
Fixed the above for true feelings.....though supressed!!!!
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Post by: lenstanles703 on December 01, 2008, 08:25:04 AM
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Post by: tizzle on December 02, 2008, 08:49:56 PM
Its funny that the core does look like the old hammer line up, but its even more funny that visionary is located here in St. Louis, at the old faball plant!!!! Now that is a double coincidence huh?
Post by: scotts33 on December 02, 2008, 10:32:18 PM
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Guys,
Its funny that the core does look like the old hammer line up, but its even more funny that visionary is located here in St. Louis, at the old faball plant!!!! Now that is a double coincidence huh?
tizzle,
What don't you understand?
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Post by: getuaload on December 03, 2008, 07:03:08 AM
Visionary Was FABALL
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Post by: tizzle on December 03, 2008, 08:08:33 AM
I did not know visionary was faball!!! Eating my slice of humble pie as we speak... I now have to get a new breed!
Post by: scotts33 on December 03, 2008, 08:33:50 AM
FYI.....when you look at the engravings of Visionary equipment you'll notice the resemblance to the old Faball engravings. That's the dead give away.
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Post by: Juggernaut on December 03, 2008, 08:47:27 AM
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yep,
I did not know visionary was faball!!! Eating my slice of humble pie as we speak... I now have to get a new breed!
Tizzle,
Here is a story directly from Jason as to how this all came about. It was from a thread quite a while back, but I saved a copy for myself because it was interesting.
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When my father decided that he wanted to make bowling balls, he found a gentleman in Ohio that had all of the equipment, and had been making polyester bowling balls on a very small scale. This man was John Fabanich.
John Fabanich had stopped producing bowling balls, and was going to close the company, so my father and a gentleman named Earl Widman, bought the equipment and molds, and moved everything to St. Louis. As part of an agreement they made, they continued to call the company Faball. A couple years later, my father developed a thick shelled urethane ball called the Black Hammer.
After several years, Faball Enterprises was one of the largest bowling ball manufacturers in the world. When the quantity of balls needed surpassed the amount that they could make in St. Louis, they licensed the production rights out to a facility in Utah, and one in Baltimore MD. At that point, there were 3 facilities manufacturing Hammers to keep up with demand. Eventually, the Baltimore facility took over the entire production, and produced the balls for us up until 2002 when we sold the brand to Ebonite.
Hope this clears some things up,
Jason Wonders
Visionary Bowling Products
Sometimes I wonder if that "facility" in Utah was HSP, which eventually turned out to be STORM?
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Post by: onlybowling on December 05, 2008, 07:09:35 AM
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Post by: JamminJD on December 05, 2008, 09:49:54 AM
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Post by: lenstanles703 on December 14, 2008, 09:40:54 PM
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