Post by: gsback on November 02, 2009, 10:30:34 PM
Was able to use it in practice and for most of game 1 but had to put the ball away until the 3rd game. The ball is strong....that I can say. I don''''t know what they had for oil out there, but I was playing considerably more left than I would normally shoot even when swinging the ball for me. Ball roared back...and I mean roared back. I did get to compare it to the Immortal and the Immortal was much longer and didn''''t have the recovery. I didn''''t get to compare to the NB Pearl of Solid though.
3rd game I pulled it back out. League is made up of kids and adults....and there is a lot of plastic thrown. My lanes had 7 of 8 throwing plastic and/or house balls....so I used the Particle Pearl to blend the oil that was everywhere...and it was!! I watched my Immortal skate a couple shots at the end of game 2 and start of 3.....nice to see it handles the carrydown well!
Used it last night as well....and really overused it. Played down and in with normal speed and shot 258-248 to start. Ball rolled real smooth...no jerkiness to it at all and really reminded my of my older particle pearls. 3rd game it got out of hand as the right lane broke down too much and I didn''''t do anything to compensate. For kicks, I did play a swing shot and watched the ball get out to about the 4-5 board and proceed to come tearing back without an issue.
Overall.....very impressed. I could easily see how cover changes will impact the ball. Going with a little polish is going to get the ball down the lane...and it already seems to keep some energy so a polish will only assist in that area. Taking the cover down to make it stronger....dare I say it....might actually make it handle more oil than the solid.
Overall......sweet job by Jason and family!!
On edit....layout:
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/gary_lum/NewBreedParticlePearl.jpg
Ball is drilled almost the same as the Solid/Pearl....though one has pin slightly down. But still....theory is to give this the same layout for a placement right in the middle.
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Edited on 11/3/2009 7:32 AM
Post by: scotts33 on November 03, 2009, 06:39:04 AM
With the strong layout....strong pin to PAP and stacked yes you should see it's strength. I did not lay mine out that strong and I don't see the strength you have. Totally dependent on technique, lane condition and layout. Hope people don't get the wrong idea that his is a hook monster for me it is not. Just my initial impression.
Of course you thought the Solid Glad was as strong as a Cell and I didn't agree there either.
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Post by: gsback on November 03, 2009, 07:02:36 AM
The thing I liked about the Glad Solid was that it was more usable than the Cell....that's really the one thing that stood out!!
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Post by: scotts33 on November 03, 2009, 07:37:20 AM
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When I talked with Jason on layout for the ball, I was going to go pin above bridge with CG kicked to the right....which is the layout I had on previous particle pearls. I liked the delayed reaction as it allowed me to use the ball on lanes when they were breaking down.
You mean like this?
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q29/scotts33/VisNBPPpolish.jpgI layout my stuff to combat the lane condition I am going to use them on for it's purpose rather than layout a ball out to show it's strength. If I did lay the NBPP strong pin to PAP and stacked it wouldn't be usable for me as much for broken down carried down lanes. I tend to move in on this type of condition. It's why I wanted to see Visionary bring out a particle pearl.
BTW....I did put a light coat of Legends polish over the 2000ab OOB surface for a bit more length. Will try it this week that way.
The one issue, I see with the New Breed balls/Serpentine core is some easy length and a straight roll no arc off the break point. Do others see this?
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Post by: Badger856 on November 03, 2009, 07:54:40 AM
Post by: scotts33 on November 03, 2009, 08:01:00 AM
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I wonder if my thumbsleave will fit that ball Scott. The Bedlam just doesn't fit my arsenal.
I am using Vise IT now Darin went away from Turbo SG just using them on my old stuff that was drilled that way initially.
Bedlam too skid/flippy at Village?
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Post by: gsback on November 03, 2009, 10:14:31 AM
Actually would have had the pin over more to the left. The pic was also much shorter.
As for arc....shot you PM first.
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Post by: Midnighter on November 03, 2009, 07:24:23 PM
My ball: http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt234/Midnighter_01/Visionary%20Bowling%20Balls/NewBreedParticlePearl.jpg http://
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New Breed Solid
New Breed Particle Pearl
New Breed Pearl
Ogre SS
Post by: scotts33 on November 03, 2009, 09:10:01 PM
Both of you guys have strong shorter pin to PAP stacked layouts ...how can it not move????????
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/gary_lum/NewBreedParticlePearl.jpg
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt234/Midnighter_01/Visionary%20Bowling%20Balls/NewBreedParticlePearl.jpg
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Post by: Midnighter on November 04, 2009, 06:31:26 AM
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http://http://http://http://http://Visionary Bowling (http://"http://visionarybowling.com")
In the bag:
New Breed Solid
New Breed Particle Pearl
New Breed Pearl
Ogre SS
Post by: scotts33 on November 04, 2009, 06:41:20 AM
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I stated in my post due to the layout it was strong. However, the drill is similar to my other balls and it moves more. I will give it another week or so and it should have enough games on it to know for sure.
Yes, I see that Brian. My question would be is it as strong with the same drill/same surface as a New Breed Solid or comparable Visionary ball?
My other thought is that THS lane conditions cover up strength and the balls innate ability. We all can make a Ogre Pearl, a B/G Centaur or a NBPP look great on a THS. Move your feet and line up.
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Scott
Post by: Unhomed on November 04, 2009, 08:29:57 AM
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IMHO,
Rik
"My life is a ball, one frame at a time."
Edited on 11/4/2009 9:35 AM
Post by: scotts33 on November 04, 2009, 08:51:20 AM
Visionary never has been really up on their website. It's a small company so they do all their own work. Also, they stopped doing ball comparisons as far as balls in their line long ago.
Here's as much info. that they sent to test staff members. Direct quote.
Visionary Bowling Products, LLC. would like to announce the availability of our newest release called the New Breed Particle Pearl. This ball utilizes the Serpentine core design in combination with our new Leviathan coverstock. This coverstock contains a non abrasive particle that creates traction in the oil yet still allows the ball to get down the lane without the dreaded burnout. This ball will be factory finished to 2,000 Abralon and covers the same lane conditions as other particle pearls, however, it can easily be adjusted to create a wide variety of reactions. With surfaces up to 1,000 Abralon, the ball reacts much like a solid particle, and polished it reacts more like a pearl reactive. Owning this ball is like having 3 balls in one.
LOW RG: 2.56†DIFFERENTIAL: .052â€
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Scott
Post by: Unhomed on November 04, 2009, 10:12:43 AM
Thank you for the Visionary info you gave!
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Rik
"My life is a ball, one frame at a time."
Edited on 11/4/2009 11:13 AM
Post by: gsback on November 04, 2009, 10:41:13 AM
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Both of you guys have strong shorter pin to PAP stacked layouts ...how can it not move????????
Yes, I see that Brian. My question would be is it as strong with the same drill/same surface as a New Breed Solid or comparable Visionary ball?
Scott, as I PM'd intent was to have something to compare to....and the only real way I will is if drilled similar. The ball as drilled, for me, should fit right in between the NB Solid and NB Pearl....but I have to have them all on the lanes to see that for sure. And I would want to play the different lines I play to really get a good comparison.
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If you recall in my original post on this ball I commented that it seemed as strong as the solid.
Brian, my guess on that is that your solid might be burning up. That's what I see with the Solid at times....just too much spent energy.
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so I was wondering if this Particle Pearl fits neatly between the two
Rik, seeing that you have both, I think you will find that fit....assuming they are drilled similar.
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Post by: gsback on November 04, 2009, 10:48:07 AM
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My other thought is that THS lane conditions cover up strength and the balls innate ability. We all can make a Ogre Pearl, a B/G Centaur or a NBPP look great on a THS. Move your feet and line up.
Here's the thing....and this goes along the same lines as the 'New Ball Phenomenon'......
Am I good enough to see the differences between the NB Solid, NB Particle Pearl and the NB Pearl?? Heck no.
But....knowing the theory behind what the ball is intended for and seeing small differences in the hit and carry give me the confidence I might not have only having the Solid and Pearl.
I've done plenty good thus far on THS without needing a particle pearl. Assuming fresh oil, I will typically play a small bellyhook and depending on what happens, I might move slightly left. I hit a point where pushing the ball out is no longer working because I am either driving through the nose or I am burning up and hitting flat.
At that point I either change balls or keep the ball and change hand/speed.....I know that....and I really don't have problems doing that. But here's the thing......that's not always fun!!
When I decide to make that ball change though, this ball will basically allow me to stay where I am now....or move less significanly than if I went to the reactive pearl. And even that move depends on what I want to do with hand and speed.
So....it's a comfort factor/confidence thing. I know how the solid is hitting and by going to particle pearl, I expect a similar roll...but with energy still to burn.
That's what I see out of the ball.
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Post by: Midnighter on November 04, 2009, 12:44:42 PM
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New Breed Solid
New Breed Particle Pearl
New Breed Pearl
Ogre SS
Post by: gsback on November 04, 2009, 01:09:01 PM
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Post by: Midnighter on November 04, 2009, 01:40:54 PM
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New Breed Solid
New Breed Particle Pearl
New Breed Pearl
Ogre SS
Post by: gsback on November 14, 2009, 05:39:27 AM
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Post by: gsback on November 17, 2009, 12:10:15 PM
Last night was my first night to really see where this ball fit in terms of roll when compared to the Solid and Pearl Reactives since I decided to bring them all. With the introduction of the Particle Pearl with all the toys I already have, I really have seen that much of a need to have both the Particle Pearl and the Solid since it's more than strong as currently drilled.
I didn't get many shots with the 2 balls in practice....maybe 2 shots per lane. It was clear the solid had a stronger swing in that I was able to get it out a little more and the recovery in terms of shape was bigger. With the current shot, I was also able to play a modified bellyhook, but had to take hand out of the ball.
Threw the Particle Pearl in the first game and threw a little larger bellyhook and then moved slightly right. I felt the ball was burning up slightly so I went to the NB Reactive Pearl and was able to basically play the last 2 games down and in and took hand out of the ball for the last game.
Each change showed me how the balls were weaker than the previous one, but stronger than the one I was going to....and it was nice to see that they maintained that consistency throughout....even though I didn't have to use the Solid.
FYI.....as I mentioned to Jason, the ball is really tearing it up!!
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