Post by: clintdaley on March 31, 2007, 05:47:24 AM
Can't wait!!!!
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Post by: clintdaley on March 31, 2007, 02:08:06 PM
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Post by: revTrex on March 31, 2007, 02:43:09 PM
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Post by: clintdaley on March 31, 2007, 03:28:49 PM
Clint
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Post by: J_Mac on March 31, 2007, 03:36:51 PM
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Post by: cyzey on March 31, 2007, 03:39:37 PM
Post by: revTrex on March 31, 2007, 03:40:18 PM
-- UPDATE --
Checked the other forum and USBC...one will be purple/black, the other blue/silver.
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Edited on 3/31/2007 3:52 PM
Post by: clintdaley on March 31, 2007, 03:51:30 PM
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Post by: clintdaley on March 31, 2007, 03:51:59 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on March 31, 2007, 06:35:41 PM
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Post by: charlest on March 31, 2007, 07:20:02 PM
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Maybe one is a light load particle pearl?
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That one would tempt me sorely ...
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Post by: clintdaley on March 31, 2007, 09:04:09 PM
Any word on a solid particle Ogre, along the lines of a Granite Gargoyle?
Clint
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Post by: revTrex on March 31, 2007, 09:18:39 PM
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Post by: clintdaley on March 31, 2007, 09:28:32 PM
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Post by: Djarum on April 04, 2007, 04:50:56 PM
Dj
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Post by: charlest on April 04, 2007, 06:13:25 PM
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The only thing that concerns me about these balls is the low differential. I don't care how strong the cover, I've never seen low diff balls handle a ton of oil.
Dj
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A lot depends on your ball speed/rev rate ratio. The more ball speed you have, the more "ball" you need.
One example to the contrary is the Legends World Class, which definitely handles a lot of oil; its RG differential is .035, implying its flare range in the 4" range.
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Post by: revTrex on April 04, 2007, 06:27:09 PM
1) According to most ball experts and industry magazines, the cover of a ball accounts for between 70-80 percent of ball reaction.
2) A low differential can actually mean more (visual) "hook" on the right condition, since the ball will not flare as much, store more energy, and then make a more pronounced move at the back.
3) Low differential balls allow you to drill the ball stronger, and not have to worry about "over-flaring." What do you think you are doing when you put the pin 5-6 inches away from your PAP on the newer, big-company hook monster balls? Using less of the core's strength - i.e. relying on the cover.
4) Unless the pattern is terribly long, or there is a lot of carrydown, you often don't need a huge amount of flare to get the ball to turn over.
5) I don't think the point of the new pearl Ogres is handle a ton of oil.
6) Lower differential cores can allow you to have more control, and possibly play a more direct line to the pocket. A direct line to the pocket often can score better due to both the "covering of less boards" and the increased entry angle from the outside.
7) Unless you have incredibly high ball speed, or like zero revs, the Ogres WILL hook for you.
Hope this helps.
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Post by: Bowler19 on April 04, 2007, 06:29:59 PM
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Solid Particle might be a replacement for the AMB Centuar Particle maybe or a lighter load particle. No matter what its going to be a great ball.
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Solid particle would more likely replace the Granite gargoyle.
I would like to see a light load particle.
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Post by: Djarum on April 05, 2007, 04:44:44 PM
1) According to most ball experts and industry magazines, the cover of a ball accounts for between 70-80 percent of ball reaction.
I completly disagree. I have seen two different cored balls that have the reactor coverstock drilled exactly the same way, and react completly different. I would say closer to 50-60 percent.
2) A low differential can actually mean more (visual) "hook" on the right condition, since the ball will not flare as much, store more energy, and then make a more pronounced move at the back.
Yes, this is typically why I like pin up drillings.
3) Low differential balls allow you to drill the ball stronger, and not have to worry about "over-flaring." What do you think you are doing when you put the pin 5-6 inches away from your PAP on the newer, big-company hook monster balls? Using less of the core's strength - i.e. relying on the cover.
True
4) Unless the pattern is terribly long, or there is a lot of carrydown, you often don't need a huge amount of flare to get the ball to turn over.
Thats exactly what I'm talking about. I don't see a low flaring ball working for true heavy oil, I don't care how strong the cover.
5) I don't think the point of the new pearl Ogres is handle a ton of oil.
I understand that, was looking at the solid one.
6) Lower differential cores can allow you to have more control, and possibly play a more direct line to the pocket. A direct line to the pocket often can score better due to both the "covering of less boards" and the increased entry angle from the outside.
Agree.
7) Unless you have incredibly high ball speed, or like zero revs, the Ogres WILL hook for you.
I'm sure they will, similarly to the RS line of ebonites, big blue pearl, etc.
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Post by: revTrex on April 05, 2007, 05:10:17 PM
Your response to my first point seems valid on the surface -- but looking closer, one might find that your reasoning is somewhat "off." Comparing two different cores in the same cover tells you how different the reaction is when you have a different core. Nothing more...that is to say, any inductive inference on your part concerning the "amount of reaction" determined by the cover or core is invalid. The reaction will change, yes. But the cover still has more to do with it than anything. I'm sure there have been tests and mathematical calculations to back up the 70-80 percent number...but we can agree to disagree though, if you prefer.
If you are thinking about trying an Ogre, do so, especially if you plan on bowling on more difficult medium to light-heavy patterns. Jason Wonders at Visionary said the original Ogre has a hook potential just a bit under that of a Brunswick Ultimate Inferno. The ball is extremely versatile, and it hardly "breaks the bank." True, it's not a "heavy oil" ball -- but then again, Visionary has other balls for that. The AMB Particle (higher differential in a solid particle cover), for example.
Hope this helps (and thanks for agreeing with me on nearly every other point!).
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Post by: Djarum on April 06, 2007, 01:58:23 PM
As far as different reaction, I suppose its how you determine percent to ball reaction. I would say a few feet of breakpoint difference isn't a large percent, but when you see 10 feet of break point difference between two cores, that is a large percentage.
Thanks.
Dj
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Post by: revTrex on April 06, 2007, 02:18:49 PM
The Purple/Black Pearl Ogre (release date April 13!) might be able to give you that "clean through the heads" with a decent, but still controllable motion in the back -- depending on the lane conditions you are talking about, of course. If it's medium, even medium-light, you should be fine. As said above in the other posts, the purple/black is supposed to react kind of like a pearl-particle, without being a pearl-particle. To me, that says, "decent length with a smooth but strong backend."
Just another thought. Something like a 5 x 3 drilling on a "control" pearl to promote length and then some forward roll?
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