Post by: mab on October 17, 2007, 08:56:37 PM
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Post by: charlest on October 18, 2007, 06:24:28 AM
I thought Jason had originally said that that the Ogre Black/Purple Pearl's reaction was so close to the reaciton of a particle pearl that they weren't going to make one???
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Post by: Rock77 on October 18, 2007, 07:01:10 AM
If they add the particle solid, that will give us a nice 4 ball set up with Ogres alone.
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Post by: mab on October 18, 2007, 09:03:00 AM
Yep, It was in the Q&A Part 2 in Jasons reply to walter 1st page. I also see the mentioning of a solid particle also in the same thread. Must still be TOP Secert!!!
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Post by: Lillen on October 18, 2007, 11:05:56 PM
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This question has been posed many times, and eventually we will have a particle pearl that we release. To this point, I have still not found a particle pearl cover, that I could make react differently than a solid with the right surface adjustment. It's interesting really, because a lot of bowlers are upset with the fact that balls die off quicker when they have particle or oil absorbing covers, yet they still want manufacturers to make them.
Post by: tekneek on October 25, 2007, 02:44:50 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on October 25, 2007, 03:13:29 PM
Anybody remember or still use a Purple Ice Executioner? For those that have this ball for the majority of us was a dog. Not all but I'd say more negative than positive results. I could not find a condition that it shined on and I bowl many tourney's tough flat conditions, etc.
Here's the description verbatim from Vis. website on the Purple Ice "This Executioner was designed to combat the toughest of lane conditions. This light load particle pearl rolls like an old urethane on steroids, with the hit and carry of a strong reactive.
This why I think the Vis. boys are waiting to perfect a particle pearl cover of course this is ONLY conjecture on my part but it's a good guess.
BTW....I gave mine to a rev challenged fluffer and he can use it down and in on a heavy medium condition and does very well with it..........so it might possibly fit the bill for a few of these type of bowlers.
The Purple Ice like the Granite has that granular fuzzy feel to it. Maybe the boys are working on a particle pearl more mainstream?
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Post by: charlest on October 26, 2007, 06:06:43 PM
Was the Purple Ice a particle pearl urethane, like the Scorcher was a particle solid urethane?
Could that have been the "problem" with the Purple Ice?
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on October 26, 2007, 09:38:17 PM
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Was the Purple Ice a particle pearl urethane, like the Scorcher was a particle solid urethane?
Good question. I just went back through all my old Visionary catalogs (back to 2001) and they never say what the coverstock is other than 'particle / pearl'. Even the flyer/drill sheet says only that. Guess this is something that should be asked in the Q&A topic.
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Post by: scotts33 on October 26, 2007, 10:29:52 PM
BUT, I wouldn't call it a pearl in todays parlance..................is why I said todays mainstream.
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Post by: darkman on October 27, 2007, 10:49:48 AM
http://www.visionarybowling.com/drillexec.html
Post by: charlest on October 27, 2007, 12:08:29 PM
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Post by: charlest on October 29, 2007, 08:37:18 PM
just saw this description of the Purple Ice by Visionary:
"Light load particle pearl ball with a blend base."
This is on the discontinued balls webpage:
http://www.visionarybowling.com/ItemsForSale/shopcartindex.html
The "blend" base seems to indicate that the base is a blend of urethane and resin??? That is usually what people mean when they say "blend" about a base.
I posted it in the Q&A thread.
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Post by: scotts33 on October 29, 2007, 11:09:13 PM
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Darkman,
just saw this description of the Purple Ice by Visionary:
"Light load particle pearl ball with a blend base."
This is on the discontinued balls webpage:
http://www.visionarybowling.com/ItemsForSale/shopcartindex.html
The "blend" base seems to indicate that the base is a blend of urethane and resin??? That is usually what people mean when they say "blend" about a base.
I posted it in the Q&A thread.
Ummmmmmm isn't that what I more or less said? At least in my mind.
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Post by: charlest on October 29, 2007, 11:37:36 PM
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Darkman,
just saw this description of the Purple Ice by Visionary:
"Light load particle pearl ball with a blend base."
This is on the discontinued balls webpage:
http://www.visionarybowling.com/ItemsForSale/shopcartindex.html
The "blend" base seems to indicate that the base is a blend of urethane and resin??? That is usually what people mean when they say "blend" about a base.
I posted it in the Q&A thread.
Ummmmmmm isn't that what I more or less said? At least in my mind.
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Scott,
Honestly, I don't think so. You wrote:
"This light load particle pearl rolls like an old urethane on steroids, with the hit and carry of a strong reactive."
Then I said it might be a pearl urethane base like the Scorcher was/had a solid urethane base.
Then I think darkman said it was "Reactive Based Particle".
Then I found that Visionary statement "blend base".
Then I asked Jason ....
It's all of academic or theoretical interest to me, as I never had one and wouldn't get one now. I sort of feel I can make a control ball via drill and surface mods, for the most part. But I am interested in what it ,if only to see the thinking behind its design.
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Post by: scotts33 on October 30, 2007, 06:13:35 AM
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Post by: darkman on October 30, 2007, 07:01:21 AM
Post by: charlest on November 02, 2007, 06:16:50 PM
Regarding the composition of the Purple Ice's coverstock, I saw this description: "Light load particle pearl ball with a blend base."
Does that mean that the base in which the particles were embedded
was a blend of urethane and resin?
This was Jason's reply:
Charlest,
You are absolutely right. At the time we released the Purple Ice Executioner, the idea of a particle pearl was a little different than it is now. Back then, the goal for a PP was to create a ball with a consistant roll, yet still hit and carry like a reactive. We combined a few basic urethane polyols with a reactive blend, and threw in a soft, non-abrasive particle to create the Purple Ice. It wasn't the most aggressive ball nor the most forgiving, but it was consistant and hit very hard. I think part of the reason that it didn't go over as well as anticipated, was because the ball did not correct user error. If you released the ball differently or missed your mark, most of the time you knew it. However, it did blend out tough/spotty conditions so that bowlers could use it on sport or tournament patterns.
Jason Wonders
Fascinating! Real chemical research, an honest attempt to give bowlers what they ask for and a detailed reply. What more can one ask for?
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Post by: scotts33 on November 02, 2007, 06:28:25 PM
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Fascinating! Real chemical research, an honest attempt to give bowlers what they ask for and a detailed reply. What more can one ask for?
I read it and more or less that's what I surmised in saying that Visionary didn't have a particle pearl in how the mainstream thinks of particle pearls.
The Purple Ice was very condition specific unless you were a real fluffer. I have a fudge knuckler friend who can use it on just about anything that is not complete toast because of his style.
Same can be said of the Midnight Scorcher/AMB Particle that are very condition specific, but that's what's great about Visionary in that they have just about everything covered except for the mainstream particle pearl.
Until some folks ran off Ron Hickland he would give some very specific reasoning about Ebonite's covers/equipment. It's too bad. Jason is very giving of the reasons behind the why's and wherefore's of Visionary.
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