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Post by: livespive on June 27, 2008, 08:19:40 AM
THe orge series looks like it will be the Gargoyle series, somethinig for everyone, so it would only make sense to add the those two balls to that line.
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i have thrown it twice now, both times on a THS...this thing will be KING of taming any type of over/under reaction. So smooth and even off the dry, but rolls strong in the oil. You will need oil to throw this ball, but the low differental core helps it get down lane better than the granite and of course the AMB Particle...gave me alot of room to work with from a deeper angle on the typical house shot, only time i didnt get back to the pocket is when i hit the dry VERY early.
Compared to the other ogres, it is earlier and smoother than all 3...handles oil better than the original solid
This thing is going to be great for super walled house shots where it is an over/under nightmare, i cant wait to throw it on more volume to see the true potential of this beast. I have a feeling its going to be real good at playing straighter angles on the longer PBA patterns, and taming the over reaction on the shorter patterns...
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Post by: BigWillyStyle on June 30, 2008, 04:29:57 PM
1) I wouldn't figure that a higher load particle solid would have ANY sort of good shot on a THS (unless a very heavy THS), and
2) Why have 2 high-load particles in your current line-up?
Like I said though...all just me guessing...
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Post by: Juggernaut on June 30, 2008, 05:17:53 PM
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2) Why have 2 high-load particles in your current line-up?
Which two do you speak of? The Granite is gone, and so is the AMB particle ( I think).
If I remember correctly, even though they are "grandfathered" in, the USBC requested that visionary discontinue production of balls outside of the now legal range and, as a result of this, visionary has discontinued production of the AMB balls because their differential is too high. That includes the Centaurs ( except the green/blue) AND the Immortals.
I think I would've rather seen a particle cover on the G-3/Frankie May weightblock. More differential for when you actually NEED a heavy load particle to cut through.
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Post by: shelley on June 30, 2008, 06:26:59 PM
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This is just complete speculation, but I would have to assume by the description of it's reaction, that it's a lower-load ball for 2 reasons:
1) I wouldn't figure that a higher load particle solid would have ANY sort of good shot on a THS (unless a very heavy THS), and
2) Why have 2 high-load particles in your current line-up?
They've had two high-load particle balls in the line-up for quite a while now, the Granite and the AMB Particle, so it's not a big deal to have two.
Why you'd need or want a high-load particle solid for a THS, I can certainly answer. I'm speed-dominant, so the extra-strong cover helps get the ball to react. Further, just because it's a high-load particle ball that comes OOB at 320-grit doesn't mean it has to stay that way. My Yeah Baby is a high-load particle ball, drilled strong, even, and at 1000-grit plus polish, it's a great THS ball. Absolutely ignores carrydown, which can be a problem here.
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 30, 2008, 08:01:21 PM
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Any rumors about a Urethane Ogre?
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Post by: dizzyfugu on July 01, 2008, 06:47:39 AM
There have already been similar concepts (e. g. Hammer's Big Blue, low RG and low diff., Navy Sparkle Fuze with high RG and diff.), and IMHO it should have at least a medium particle load (and/or some bigger particle to create a good grip), and you have a true versatile piece that you can tune with surface tweaks for different uses. But I admit that a lower RG/high diff. ball like the AMB Particle would be a useful "true" heavy oil addition, too, e. g. the same cover and with the (legal) Gryphon core.
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Post by: BigWillyStyle on July 01, 2008, 08:27:32 AM
I will say this though, I keep forgetting that the Centaurs (minus the B/G) have the "illegal" weight block, as I always just think of the Immortals when thinking about the grandfathered rule (since they were the 2 they squeezed in).
As for the Granite and AMB in the lineup together for a long time....I didn't think that the AMB Particle was out for too long before the Granite was discontinued...
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Post by: charlest on July 03, 2008, 10:56:24 PM
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Well sounds like the particle is a sure thing, but has anyone heard of any other new stuff from visionary in the next few months? I would LOVE to see a urethane, and also a pearl with a low particle load, but that's just me. I really don't see enough oil to use heavy old balls.
Jason has already said a month or two ago that he will not be producing any particle pearls. In his testing, he has found little significant (my paraphrasing, not his) difference in ball reaction between particle pearls and polished solid resin balls. I tried to persuade him but failed. I'd love to see the Ogre Particle Pearl, but, based on his words, I doubt we ever will.
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Post by: Lillen on July 04, 2008, 01:35:31 AM
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Post by: BigWillyStyle on July 04, 2008, 02:18:32 AM
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PS...I definately third the motion for a PP cover, though I'd rather it be on the Gryphon core (actually, I'd rather it be on the Immortal core, but since that is impossible due to new USBC rules...would be happy with Gryphon core).
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Post by: charlest on July 04, 2008, 05:40:36 AM
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I'm sure some of his decision might have to do with the fact that the Purple Ice for many was not as good a Visionary piece as others. Even though it was stated that it was more "condition-specific" people still just want THS equipment. I love my Purple Ice, and think it might be THE 1st ball out of the bag the rest of my PBAX league...
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I'm far too lazy to go look up what Jason said in that thread, but while the Purple Ice was mentioned, it was not the factor according to Jason. Besides, If I recall correctly (again), the Purple Ice was pearlized and it was particle but it was not resin it was urethane: a Particle pearl urethane. Leave it Jason to find a unique ball reaction!
ANyway, I do specifically recall his saying he saw no difference between a particle pearl and a polished solid resin. Oddly enough, some things do stick in my memory.
That said, I'm still on the "Particle Pearl" bandwagon myself. I would love to see an Ogre Particle Pearl. A Kelly green and BMW silver one! Now THAT would stand out on a ball return.
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Post by: BigWillyStyle on July 04, 2008, 09:44:45 AM
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Big Willy,
I'm far too lazy to go look up what Jason said in that thread, but while the Purple Ice was mentioned, it was not the factor according to Jason. Besides, If I recall correctly (again), the Purple Ice was pearlized and it was particle but it was not resin it was urethane: a Particle pearl urethane. Leave it Jason to find a unique ball reaction!
ANyway, I do specifically recall his saying he saw no difference between a particle pearl and a polished solid resin. Oddly enough, some things do stick in my memory.
That said, I'm still on the "Particle Pearl" bandwagon myself. I would love to see an Ogre Particle Pearl. A Kelly green and BMW silver one! Now THAT would stand out on a ball return.
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Post by: scotts33 on July 04, 2008, 06:31:27 PM
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I'm far too lazy to go look up what Jason said in that thread, but while the Purple Ice was mentioned, it was not the factor according to Jason. Besides, If I recall correctly (again), the Purple Ice was pearlized and it was particle but it was not resin it was urethane: a Particle pearl urethane. Leave it Jason to find a unique ball reaction!
Anyway, I do specifically recall his saying he saw no difference between a particle pearl and a polished solid resin. Oddly enough, some things do stick in my memory.
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Post by: jbuzz31 on July 07, 2008, 05:00:30 PM
and just how much particle load will be in it
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charlest question posted 8/13/2007
Jason,
1. Let me tell you what I have seen, and in my experience, regarding solid resin vs particle pearls:
To my eye, particle pearls can cover the same oil amount/pattern that solid resin balls do, but they seem to cvoer more boards while doing it
PLUS they seem to handle carrydown better while getting the same length with more backend AND more overall hook. I have seen this with both old particle pearls like the Brunswick Riot Zone, middle older particle pearls like the Hammer Razor Blade and newer ones like the Storm Pyro and the Shift.
The factors of more overall hook and more backend compared to solid resins seems, to my eye, to allow them to handle carrydown better than rougher and earlier hooking solid resin which also handle carrydown, but reduce carry power to an unspecified degree.
2. I would like to see the Ogre coverstock placed in a similar core to the current Ogre BUT with a greater RG differential (like the old Warlock DC cores: medium-high Rg and higher RG differential). I think this will allow them to handle carrydown better than they do now. I see this in my semi-polished "pumpkin" Ogre (polished before the Black/Purple one came out). I think a higher RG diff core drilled correctly would allow it (and the "blurple" Ogre) to handle carrydown better than simply sanding the surface rougher. Most times, sanding the surface won't allow the same ball to be used on the lanes with carrydown.
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Hi Charlest,
Thank you for the input. I know that in theory, what you are describing is exactly what is supposed to happen, but thus far I haven't really seen that in our testing. I guess it is possible that we simply haven't tested the right balls yet, but I usually try to find what I hear is the most popular ball at the time, and try to see what it is doing that makes it stand out.
Unfortunately, or fortunately (depending on how you look at it), I find that what makes the ball so popular is often times not the reaction, but the hype behind it.
Have you tried the FM Signature Gryphon? While the cover isn't the same as the Ogre, they have similar characteristics, and if anything the React-A-Tack cover is a little stronger overall than the Eradicator. This would give you the med. RG and higher diff that you are describing in your post.
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Post by: scotts33 on July 07, 2008, 05:02:25 PM
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my question is ,which coverstock will be the base? eradicator like the first two ogres? destroyer like the pearl? or react-a-tak?
and just how much particle load will be in it
Don't think I am letting the cat out of the bag here. Jason says the particle load will be much like the old Granite Gargoyle including the beard which personally I like.
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Post by: VBPadvertising on July 07, 2008, 10:35:41 PM
Since the cat is out of the bag, and buddies pro shop must have taken a picture of the ball at Bowl Expo (kudo's to you for being smart enough to think of taking the pic and being the first to put it up on your site), I will go ahead and fill everyone in on the information that I can release right now.
The Ogre Particle does use the coverstock on the Granite. There are very small changes, but the changes are mostly the pigments used to make the colors. This ball is what we are calling pewter and black. It is a grey/black combo.
It still uses the same core as the other Ogres.
This ball is designed to blend out wet/dry lane conditions, and help combat the carrydown issue that many are facing.
Absolute, we do make multicolor particle balls, but most of the particles are dark in color, so unless we use a very light load, it is virtually impossible to make good looking colors. Particle pearls are light loaded, and we can make decent colors that way if we wanted.
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Post by: scotts33 on July 07, 2008, 10:48:37 PM
It will be a good addition to the Ogre line.
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Post by: gsback on July 08, 2008, 10:55:43 AM
Also, thanks to Juggernaut who supplied me the link to get back the history I had under the old ID.
Jason, I think you and I talked about the Particle Pearls and polished resin in the many emails or in San Antonio.....can't remember.
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Kind of has that Char Ex look Jason.
It will be a good addition to the Ogre line.
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Don't you think it has that look? Probably not the phasing. I'll let you know when I get one.
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Don't you think it has that look? Probably not the phasing. I'll let you know when I get one.
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Post by: gsback on July 11, 2008, 11:59:26 AM
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Saw the Ogre Particle yesterday, and boy, can I tell you, the feel of the cover just screams "hook." Yep, folks, particles you can feel -- like snow tires.
Wondering, especially after talking with Jason, what a little polish on this baby would do!! Want something for in between Blue Centaur and the Gladiator. Possibly this or a similarly polished Frankie May!
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Post by: scotts33 on July 11, 2008, 12:12:30 PM
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Want something for in between Blue Centaur and the Gladiator.
No Black and Purple Ogre Pearl?
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Post by: gsback on July 11, 2008, 12:37:09 PM
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No Black and Purple Ogre Pearl?
Already got it Scott. Love the ball. Actually....shot 300 with it in league before, just never said anything.
Want something a little more controlled....that's all.
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Post by: scotts33 on July 11, 2008, 02:52:50 PM
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Want something a little more controlled....that's all.
4000 ab made mine more controllable from 1500 polished OOB.
Most of us will need a finer finish than a 600 matte or whatever the OOB surface will be on the Ogre Particle unless rolling on heavier oil....if it's like the Granite OOB was/is. But, I will try it OOB but playing with it to match up.
Britton says his is a smooth rolling one with less over-under that's pretty much how I'd define the B/G Centaur and Solid Gladiator's roll on the backend.
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Post by: VideoBallReviews on July 11, 2008, 03:23:38 PM
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Post by: gsback on July 11, 2008, 04:07:39 PM
I might actually try another Gladiator with a different drill....not sure. Same could be said with the Ogre Pearl.
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Post by: Juggernaut on July 11, 2008, 06:20:37 PM
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Saw the Ogre Particle yesterday, and boy, can I tell you, the feel of the cover just screams "hook." Yep, folks, particles you can feel -- like snow tires.
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The Ogre Particle does use the coverstock on the Granite. There are very small changes, but the changes are mostly the pigments used to make the colors. This ball is what we are calling pewter and black. It is a grey/black combo.
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Wondering, especially after talking with Jason, what a little polish on this baby would do!! Want something for in between Blue Centaur and the Gladiator. Possibly this or a similarly polished Frankie May!
Had a polished Granite. One of the best all around medium balls I ever used, period. Not jumpy, not finicky, and not weak.
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Post by: charlest on July 11, 2008, 06:25:59 PM
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For the most part, I feel my Gladiator gets down the lane fine and finishes more than strong. But I want something a little earlier, but more of an arc.
I might actually try another Gladiator with a different drill....not sure. Same could be said with the Ogre Pearl.
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Try a lower grit on the Glad, like a 1000 grit Abralon or 1500 grit US scale on even a Rico drilling.
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Post by: gsback on July 11, 2008, 06:44:27 PM
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Try a lower grit on the Glad, like a 1000 grit Abralon or 1500 grit US scale on even a Rico drilling.
I don't want to bring the cover down too much. Then I feel like like I'll be limited more as the balls going to start grabbing way too early.
I guess I could try the cover change and a different drill as well. Gotta talk with Jason. He's seen me throw. I've got video....not of me, but of the Glad Solid, Ogre Pearl, Violet Gargoyle and Slate Blue. Just have to get them off the camera.
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Post by: scotts33 on July 11, 2008, 07:56:52 PM
I think you can do the same thing with the right layout and polish on an FMG. Great arc and roll the above ball from an Black and Purple and Solid goes to long leaving ringing 10's.
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