Author Topic: Ogre Particle (Read 3052 times)

scotts33 · « **on:** April 08, 2009, 03:28:13 PM »

For those that bowl on a China wall and have access to an Ogre Particle and can puck it. You are missing the boat if you don't have an Ogre Particle.

I have been sliding 20 and rolling 10 or so a can't miss with this piece. Good gawd. I did change my roll to a puck shot down and in....I can not miss. On a Great China Wall I have enough roll and hit....amazing.

Pin next to ring CG stacked below X hole on gradient line P2. I have not rolled below 670 with this ball since using it as my main ball. Know that I am NOT hitting it just rolling it off my hand bent off to the side cut down to 250 I am guessing.
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gsback · « **Reply #16 on:** April 10, 2009, 12:31:36 PM »

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using my weaker release letting the ball do the work

BINGO!!
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Krumpy300 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 14, 2009, 02:54:51 PM »

I actually used mine at 2000 on Brunswick Anvil's (a harder lane surface then I normally bowl on) and was pleasantly surprised that I did get it to corner a bit more than usual. There was a lot of free hook in general, but I really liked the reaction overall.

Still was REALLY readable off the spot. Ball is a winner.

scotts33 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 14, 2009, 03:06:12 PM »

Ken,

I find the same....bowl tonite on older wood and tomorrow night on original Bruns Anvilane both surfaces the Ogre Particle works well on.

Taking an all Ogre line-up....Particle at 2000ab, Pearl at OOB and SS OOB.
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D Scott Johnson · « **Reply #19 on:** April 14, 2009, 04:29:12 PM »

If I am reading this thread correctly, then there would not be much reason for me to carry both the Ogre Solid and the Ogre Particle in my bag because there would not be enought difference to have both? Is this correct?

I ask because I love the reaction and roll I get out of my Ogre Pearl and was looking to possible get an Ogre solid to compliment the ball for more oil and hopefully the same roll. But, other than a couple of videos, I have never seen anyone throw the Ogre solid to get a read, nor have I seen anyone throw the Ogre Particle.

So, those of you who know, I would value your opinions on the subject.

Scott

Krumpy300 · « **Reply #20 on:** April 14, 2009, 07:41:50 PM »

Charlest and I were discussing this yesterday. Wondering if the Ogre Solid's cover may indeed be stronger than the O-Part since the O-Part's cover is the same as the Granite Gargoyle which is a few years backdated now.

I don't have the Ogre Solid so I can't give you an educated guess. Based on how much I like the O-Part, I would get another with a higher level surface as opposed to getting the Solid.

Just my 2 cents.

charlest · « **Reply #21 on:** April 15, 2009, 12:37:15 AM »

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If I am reading this thread correctly, then there would not be much reason for me to carry both the Ogre Solid and the Ogre Particle in my bag because there would not be enought difference to have both? Is this correct?

The problem is you really can't say that. I believe this is true becaise so much depends on
1. the bowler's delivery/release combination,
2. the drilling,
3. the oil pattern AND the amount of oil.
4. what league preceded your league (this has become an ENORMOUS factor in today's bowling)

quote:

I ask because I love the reaction and roll I get out of my Ogre Pearl and was looking to possible get an Ogre solid to compliment the ball for more oil and hopefully the same roll. But, other than a couple of videos, I have never seen anyone throw the Ogre solid to get a read, nor have I seen anyone throw the Ogre Particle.

So, those of you who know, I would value your opinions on the subject.

Scott

I have thrown the Ogre Pearl and Solid and seen Krumpy300 throw the Ogre Particle. I sold both my orginal Ogre solid and pearl!! and just bought another Ogre Pearl and am on the crux of a major dilemma: should I buy an Ogre Particle or a Solid?

? I will buy one or the other. Right now I am leaning 70-30 particle vs solid.

In total seriousness,
and more than a little bit of agony, charlest
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Edited on 4/15/2009 12:04 PM

scotts33 · « **Reply #22 on:** April 15, 2009, 10:04:15 AM »

Here's my 2 cents.

Jeff said here....

quote:
The problem is you really can't say that. I believe this is true becaise so much depends on
1. the bowler's delivery/release combination,
2. the drilling,
3. the oil pattern AND the amount of oil.
4. what league preceded your league (this has become an ENORMOUS factor in today's bowling)

I agree totally on all 4 points.

I have owned an Ogre Solid and got rid of it. I now use the Ogre Particle in it's same basic place in a line up. I would be of the opinion that they would overlap too much. I have said this before but will reiterate....because the Ogre's have a small differential IF you are playing on a flatter side to side lane condition for me anyway I need to play straighter (get my feet in the right place) as I will not get the miss room outside that a ball like a Solid Glad or a higher flaring ball gives. The Ogre's will flutter out there for me so I need to play them straighter OR if on a wet/dry THS then I don't have that worry to the outside of the lane. But, that's why we have aresenals.

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Scott

Krumpy300 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 15, 2009, 10:14:27 AM »

Hey Scott,

What were the actual differences that you saw between the Ogre Solid and O-Part??? Why did you decide on keeping the Particle?? Thanks.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #24 on:** April 15, 2009, 12:05:36 PM »

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What were the actual differences that you saw between the Ogre Solid and O-Part??? Why did you decide on keeping the Particle?? Thanks.

Ken,

Not much at 1000ab or 2000ab on either ball comparing same to same...I posted the layout I had on the Solid earlier in this thread. I think the Particle has a lil more recovery than the Solid but not a heck of a lot difference to carry both of them to the lanes unless you had vastly different coverstock surface changes. But, I have other balls like the Pearl or SS or New Breed Pearl or G-3 for that....if I want to use a pearl or a Glad. Solid which is my main benchmark ball if a solid. I don't have enough ball speed to use the solid big hookers (ie. Solid Centaur, Immortal Solid, yadda yadda)

BTW...I sold the Solid before I got the Particle. I just didn't like the read with the Solid....BUT I do love the read and ability of the Particle. In the past, I have loved the Midnight Scorcher on floods and Granite one heavier mediums.
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Scott

Krumpy300 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 15, 2009, 09:21:29 PM »

Thank you Scott for the explanation, very much appreciated.

I drill a LOT of balls in general just because my curiosity gets the better of me and the O-Part is a keeper. Enough said.

scotts33 · « **Reply #26 on:** April 16, 2009, 05:22:15 PM »

I thought I'd relate what happened last night as this ties into the Ogre Particle.

We bowled rolloffs....4 teams 2 eliminated this week for championship next week. 3 round winners and best record not to win a round. We won a round. 5 man hdcp league 7 point system. Decent bowlers. 6:30 PM on a THS type pattern on older Bruns. Anvilane 40 lane center PBA bowls a Midwest regional there later this month.

So, the pattern hasn't broken down as much but weather getting warmer in spring and humidity starting to jump up. Started with the Ogre Particle..great shot lined up roll the first 6....then start leaving 10's as Particle starts rolling out a bit. Open in the 10th for 220something. We lose that game by 40 pins. Now backs up against the wall have to win next 2 games.

Have a hard time getting lined up after that try inside with Solid Glad at 2000ab and ball either reads to early in dry or slides in the puddle.....typical problem for me...then try B/G Centaur moving feet right sliding on 19 straight down and in in the dry balls rolls up nice again carry not the best. 190something we win that game by 40some pins.

Last frame in 2nd game last ball take out SS Ogre and slide 21 and up and out to the right to miss carry down and found a line to carry.

Last game first 10 and a 289 and we win going away....point here being I see most stick with the same ball that worked the week before and don't try enough things and pound out a 190-200 when and if you can find a shot to carry it's worth trying something different as long as you don't bowl your team out of it.

Ogre line continues to impress me!
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Scott

gsback · « **Reply #27 on:** April 17, 2009, 04:41:43 AM »

Scott, I think that issue will always be there because of all the toys we have and like to play with!! LOL!!

Take me. I like to take 4-6 balls just for the fun of it. Part of it is because I like to try different things over time, but the other reason is because I have certain stuff I pull out no matter what.

Last night I subbed in a casual league.....most of the bowlers throwing older stuff and some throw new stuff....and a lot using plastic as well.

I decided to throw the Ogre SS as I've barely gotten 2 games in with this and those were for practice more than anything else. Long....and strong.....but also touchy if you're not careful!!

Shoot 190 game 1...missing 2 10 pins and then leaving a 2-8-10. Out comes NB Solid to finish the 190 and then 240+ and 220+ for 666. Prime example....I have confidence in the ball and don't mind making a big move going from a down and in shot to a decent swing (for me).

Last week...same league?? G3 since I just got it drilled up. Gotta try everything!! LOL!!
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