Post by: six pack on July 16, 2009, 11:50:23 AM
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Post by: Mr Old School on July 16, 2009, 07:52:36 PM
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Mr. Old SchoolIf you can't swing it, Your probally throwing brunswick!
My Equipment:
v-2 particle V-2 sanded
V-2 pearl
V-2 dry!
Post by: golfnutFL on July 18, 2009, 11:04:51 PM
Post by: six pack on July 19, 2009, 08:01:46 AM
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Post by: scotts33 on July 19, 2009, 08:21:07 AM
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Scott
Post by: six pack on July 19, 2009, 09:11:21 AM
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Just my thoughts but I wouldn't drill it too weak. I'll get one around bowling season start up. Probably pin next to ring or up 1/2" and stacked. Since it's not a strong-strong ball to start I wouldn't take too much out of it. Of course YMMV depending on your conditions trying to conquer and your stats./technique.
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Scott
thinking this ball would be great for me playing straight up the burnt track.I don't want something jumpy,just roll,hold and pop!
Hmmm...on second thought maybe put the pin 2" from pap with the cg towards center.
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Post by: scotts33 on July 19, 2009, 09:29:25 AM
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thinking this ball would be great for me playing straight up the burnt track.I don't want something jumpy,just roll,hold and pop!
Hmmm...on second thought maybe put the pin 2" from pap with the cg towards center.
I'd agree if it was say a B/G Centaur with a reactive cover and I am not totally sure but I am hoping that it's pearl urethane cover won't be too strong or jumpy. Why I am waiting to see what others think. Maybe a 105* layout pin next to ring for length and roll without over reaction???
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Scott
Post by: six pack on July 19, 2009, 09:37:51 AM
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Post by: 3835 on July 19, 2009, 10:18:48 AM
3835
Post by: scotts33 on July 19, 2009, 08:04:07 PM
Hardness: 78-80
Same as the Slate Blue. Makes me think more pearlish.
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Scott
Post by: golfnutFL on July 19, 2009, 09:30:51 PM
Kept saying something about his elbow and how hard the d**n ball was!!!!
Post by: scotts33 on July 19, 2009, 10:30:11 PM
Kept saying something about his elbow and how hard the d**n ball was!!!!
How do you like yours golfnutFL? How did you lay out and what type of conditions have you used it?
THanks!
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Scott
Post by: golfnutFL on July 19, 2009, 11:00:29 PM
I just got it drilled yesterday. I had it drilled stacked leverage.
I'll bring it to league Monday night, where I can probably use it the last game or game and a half. I'll let you know what I see.
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How do you like yours golfnutFL? How did you lay out and what type of conditions have you used it?
THanks!
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Scott
Post by: scotts33 on July 19, 2009, 11:10:42 PM
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I'll bring it to league Monday night, where I can probably use it the last game or game and a half. I'll let you know what I see.
Appreciate that!
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Scott
Post by: 3835 on July 19, 2009, 11:29:24 PM
3835
Post by: scotts33 on July 19, 2009, 11:39:34 PM
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Scotts...please call and ask Jason yourself, it is a SOLID....
Pearl/solid I could care less it's an 80 hardness urethane and will react accordingly like the Blue Slate I imagine....was looking for input from right siders on ball reaction and what they are seeing.
I've been around Visionary for a bit.
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Scott
Post by: golfnutFL on July 19, 2009, 11:44:55 PM
3835 might be absolutely right, it could just be the color swirls that make it look pearlized. But I agree with you Scott, it has #'s and hardness very close to the SBG so it will be fun to compare!
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Pearl/solid I could care less it's an 80 hardness urethane and will react accordingly like the Blue Slate I imagine....was looking for input from right siders on ball reaction and what they are seeing.
I've been around Visionary for a bit.
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Scott
Post by: six pack on July 20, 2009, 06:32:44 AM
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Coverstock: Hard Urethane
Hardness: 78-80
Same as the Slate Blue. Makes me think more pearlish.
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Scott
it has the same hardness #'s as the thunder flash,natural and liberator so I don't see the cover being any different other then the final finish.
core #'s are all in the same general ball park as well.
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Post by: golfnutFL on July 20, 2009, 10:43:38 AM
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Coverstock: Hard Urethane
Hardness: 78-80
Same as the Slate Blue. Makes me think more pearlish.
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Scott
it has the same hardness #'s as the thunder flash,natural and liberator so I don't see the cover being any different other then the final finish.
core #'s are all in the same general ball park as well.
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Post by: golfnutFL on July 20, 2009, 09:39:47 PM
This ball did NOT overreact off the dry. OOB the Liberator did, and tonight, even the Neptune was pretty snappy on the dry outsides. This ball was smooth, nice and long, sweet and even. I thought it was very similar to my old SBG but more archy, and even more controllable.
This is just a small sample size...however, this appears to be one easily controlled dry lane ball. I experienced zero overreaction off the dry and a very solid flush hit through the pocket. It was fun to throw, hope to get to use it more frequently.
Post by: six pack on July 20, 2009, 10:07:17 PM
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Post by: sluggo35 on July 21, 2009, 12:30:07 AM
Post by: golfnutFL on July 21, 2009, 12:53:42 AM
The best match-up I had with the Liberator took a LOT of work. I had to bring the surface up one by one and then add polish painstakingly. And when I was done it still never matched up like my Slate Blue Gargoyle. I believe Visionary, which is not my dominant company, does the best job producing a user-friendly Urethane ball. This is the second one I found very effective without major modification.
However, every bowler is unique. These are merely my findings, especially with the Ogre Urethane. I had plenty of opportunities with the SBG but have just begun to explore OU. The first experience was positive. I will post more as opportunity to use the ball presents itself.
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thanks for the info golfnut. did you have to put alot of hand in the ball, do you think a lower rev play will find it useful? what finish did you put your liberator to be comfortable at?
Post by: sluggo35 on July 21, 2009, 02:26:27 AM
Post by: scotts33 on July 21, 2009, 07:38:34 AM
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Scott
Post by: six pack on July 21, 2009, 11:39:04 AM
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Post by: golfnutFL on July 21, 2009, 04:16:44 PM
Yes, OOB. Synthetic Lanes...don't know which ones but it is a Quibica/AMF house if that helps. The lanes began wettish/dry THS and got progressively dryer, especially outside of 10 all night long. Impossible to play out there and inside still required pretty good speed to hold the oil line as it broke down.
The Ogre Urethane was able to play straight up 10-11 with a nice little arcy hook into the pocket. Outside of 10, even into the dry (with the amount of hand I was putting into it) was actually out of bounds and would not recover. Missing slightly inside, say 13-14, held the oil line pretty well and was just a straighter path to the pocket.
I've only used it this once but I was impressed with its usability and reaction shape for the shot I was facing.
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Thanks for the report golfnutFL. Exactly what I was looking for. Did you leave it OOB? Was this on a wettish/dry THS and what lane surface?
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Scott
Post by: golfnutFL on July 21, 2009, 04:18:34 PM
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I'm still thinking 2" from pap cg in center grip. polished cover,fast roll and a smooth arc backend.
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Post by: six pack on July 21, 2009, 06:27:46 PM
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It's pretty polished already and the coverstock is not that strong. I would not recommend a weak drill unless you have a lot of hand or really slow speed. Smoooooth arc backend is what I saw, OOB finish, strong drill.quote:
I'm still thinking 2" from pap cg in center grip. polished cover,fast roll and a smooth arc backend.
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hand I got.I tried that drill on a pain thinking it wouldn't hook much,boy was I wrong.I loved the way the ball rolled but it was to strong to square up with on fresh and not enough backend to play inside.
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Post by: scotts33 on July 21, 2009, 06:41:53 PM
What's the old adge drill a weak ball strong and a strong ball weak?
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Scott
Post by: six pack on July 21, 2009, 07:10:54 PM
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JMO...... sixpack but a Raw Hammer Pain with juiced reactive coverstock is not comparable to an Ogre Urethane. Not even close.
What's the old adge drill a weak ball strong and a strong ball weak?
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Scott
yeah I know but I want the same type of roll while playing up the boards.I have a black hammer that's fairly early and smooth with the pin in center grip and a thunder flash drilled 4x4 that hooks alot off dry.I think this one I want early roll and not much hook if any,straight as an arrow would be good.the ogre would probably replace the hammer if all goes well.
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Post by: I_Bowl4Money on July 22, 2009, 02:31:12 AM
One thing to think about with your layouts. If you go 2 inches Pin to PAP and CG toward the center of your grip, the ball will need dry in the backend to keep it continuous through the pocket.
If you go with the CG kicked out and the pin under your ring, you should get a little more continuation through the backend.
Best of luck.
Post by: six pack on July 22, 2009, 05:52:02 AM
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Post by: six pack on July 22, 2009, 12:18:00 PM
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SixPack,
One thing to think about with your layouts. If you go 2 inches Pin to PAP and CG toward the center of your grip, the ball will need dry in the backend to keep it continuous through the pocket.
If you go with the CG kicked out and the pin under your ring, you should get a little more continuation through the backend.
Best of luck.
IDK,the more I think about it I still think 2" pin from pap with the cg in the center.I want to play very little swing with this ball and still have early roll like a hook out reaction but still have the energy in the pins.Thoughts???
BTW my straight game is very good but I seem to have very little opportunity to play it.
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Post by: six pack on July 28, 2009, 11:56:24 AM
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Post by: scotts33 on July 28, 2009, 02:57:28 PM
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well the more I hear about this ball the more I think you guys are probably right,33/8 stacked sounds like a good choice.
I won't tell ya I told ya so.
I do think a medium strong layout would work also for the stronger player. Really depends on what condition you are trying use it on and your stats. I just wouldn't drill it too weak.
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Scott
Post by: six pack on July 28, 2009, 05:25:25 PM
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