Post by: roaddogg on September 13, 2006, 02:09:24 AM
Post by: Gene J Kanak on September 13, 2006, 10:11:50 AM
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Post by: scotts33 on September 13, 2006, 10:15:58 AM
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Post by: ecc0_9879 on September 13, 2006, 11:15:54 PM
another note on my personal opinion how is this gonna affect other smaller companys like morich and lane 1 i personnaly see more company not registering
Post by: roaddogg on September 14, 2006, 07:06:16 AM
Post by: ecc0_9879 on September 14, 2006, 01:21:26 PM
Post by: Draxond300 on September 14, 2006, 02:17:31 PM
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Post by: roaddogg on September 15, 2006, 07:12:14 AM
Post by: scotts33 on September 16, 2006, 10:28:15 AM
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Post by: scotts33 on September 17, 2006, 09:36:48 AM
Case closed.
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Post by: shelley on September 17, 2006, 10:04:42 AM
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Why should you have to hire a pro staff member? thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
Because without having someone on staff, you have no guarantee of having someone throw or promote your equipment. You probably don't have to have a staffer, but you're not going to get much out of your $125K registration fee without one. Someone might try out your equipment, looking for something different or better, but week-to-week, you don't have much to guarantee use of your equipment.
SH
Edited on 9/17/2006 9:58 AM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on September 17, 2006, 01:55:25 PM
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Post by: BigWillyStyle on September 17, 2006, 07:41:57 PM
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Just a comment on the smaller companies like MoRich, Hammer, Lane 1, Track, AMF ... All these companies are second brands of the big 4, Brunswick, Columbia, Ebonite, and Storm. So a for regestration i'm sure it doen't cost them as much as full regestration on there own even if it does the big 4 cover it for them.
FYI...Lane#1 isn't technically a second brand of a big four company. They just have their covers made by Brunswick (and soon another company from what I hear). Lane#1 is its own company though...
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Post by: scotts33 on September 17, 2006, 09:01:52 PM
If, you are just Joe Bolwer who cares if they are registered are not? So, you can see Micheal Haugen roll a Crimson Ex....sheesh c'mon people this doesn't make business sense. Do you want Visionary to stick around or drive them to making poor business decisions? Geez immaturity thru and thru.
Simple...Visionary has always made great equipment and they still do. Being PBA registered doesn't make them better or worse.
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Post by: ecc0_9879 on September 17, 2006, 09:28:51 PM
Post by: joe 26 on September 22, 2006, 11:35:34 PM
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Post by: roaddogg on September 25, 2006, 08:23:26 AM
Post by: Jorge300 on September 25, 2006, 08:45:29 AM
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I would also throw Visionary Equipment if they were registered. There are more people out there then they think that feel the same way.
I would add myself to this list. The AMB Particle is one of the best heavy oil balls out there. But as an average Joe Bowler, how often will you find conditions that require this? Not many. So you are investing in a ball that you may only throw once a year at Nationals or maybe 2-3 times a year at most. The times I would throw it are at PBA regionals, which I can't since they aren't registered. I read Dave's report on the price to register. While I agree it doesn't make much financial sense to do so, I think there is another consideration. Maybe this type of investment could be added into an advertising budget. While it is correct that you may not see your ball on TV a lot, how much bad press are you getting on forums like this by not having your equipment registered? Now is that true for all small companies, no. I do not know anything about Dave's equipment and it might not be worth it for him. But Visionary is a big enough company where it could make a difference. While Dave is also correct that the public may not know what ball a regional winner throws, but the bowlers do. The bowlers that missed the cut and missed match play, they will know. And while you may not make up your investment, that kind of advertising, would be worth the difference added to the fact that you remove the negative stigmas of not being registered.
These statements come from a bowler, not a bowling ball manufacturer. Dave's comments are very good and very genuine. I want to take nothing away from them. Just another way to look at the investment from my perspective. Thanks.
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Post by: Strider on September 25, 2006, 11:44:13 AM
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Why would a company NOT register with the PBA??
Did you not read the other posts? h82b2nd28's reply broke it down pretty well. You'd have to increase your ball sales by at least the registration amount to recoup the expense. Most have said that showing a ball on TV doesn't increase it's sales much.
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Post by: Jorge300 on September 25, 2006, 04:05:54 PM
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Why would a company NOT register with the PBA??
Did you not read the other posts? h82b2nd28's reply broke it down pretty well. You'd have to increase your ball sales by at least the registration amount to recoup the expense. Most have said that showing a ball on TV doesn't increase it's sales much.
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Strider,
hate to do this to a fellow Penn Stater, but I think you are blwoing off the question a bit to easily. In my previous post I asked Dave's opinion on something very similar to this question. While I understand the pure financials of the arrangement as Dave explained them and what it would take to recoup those dollars. But I think there is more to it then that. There is the negative stigma of not being registered with the PBA that could effect balls sales (I am speaking mainly of a company like Visionary, not Dave's which seems like a smaller company still, sorry if I am wrong Dave). I for one would not buy an AMB Particle because i can't use it at regionals. So the only time I would throw it would be Nationals. The idea is that a ball on TV doesn't generate enough extra sales, but the how many sales does not having it registered prevent? I think that needs to be added to the equation.
The question was asked who knows what ball the last regional winner threw. Not the average bowler, but the players in the regional field do. If there are 7 regions, with about 2-3 tournaments a month ( based on my SW region schedule)that anywhere for, 168-252 tournaments a year. That's a lot of exposure. And if someone wins a regional or two throwing a certain ball, more of them are sold. Again, I'm looking at it from a little different view. I respect Dave's view and realize he is running a successful ball company and I am not, so I may be simplifying this way too much. But its just MHO.
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Post by: roaddogg on September 29, 2006, 07:44:15 PM
Post by: joe 26 on September 29, 2006, 08:35:27 PM
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Edited on 9/29/2006 8:32 PM
Post by: ecc0_9879 on September 30, 2006, 11:07:36 PM
.......Unfortunately, due to the recent format change and the price increase in registration fees, Visionary Bowling Products LLC has decided not to participate in the PBA program for the 2005-2006 season. This decision was not taken lightly and was neither anticipated nor desired.
.......Our corporate goal has always been to serve the bowling public with high quality, high performing bowling balls at an affordable price. In order to maintain these goals, and continue serving bowlers and pro shops with the same commitment and price structure that they have become accustomed to, we felt the only option was to temporarily step away from the PBA. We understand that this decision is not going to be popular with bowlers that participate in the Regional, Senior or National PBA Tour, and we sincerely apologize for any inconveniences that it may cause.
.......Visionary would also like to reiterate that our equipment has been, and will continue to be approved for ABC, WIBC, YABA, and USBC sanctioned events, including all leagues and tournaments that are not governed by the PBA. Bowlers who do not participate in the Regional, Senior or National PBA Tour, will in no way be effected by this decision.
.......At Visionary we truly appreciate all of our loyal customers, and want to thank you for your continued support. If there is anything that we can do to assist you in the future, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Jason Wonders
Visionary Bowling Products
that sums up this subject completely
Post by: golfnutFL on October 01, 2006, 08:43:30 AM
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Post by: scotts33 on October 01, 2006, 09:43:55 AM
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What is the relationship between Banger Bowling and Visionary? If that connection was made in this thread, I apologize for missing it, but I didn't get it from reading the thread.
Visionary makes Banger's balls....I like that!
They also make InSite's balls also.Much like Columbia makes DynoThane's or Storm makes RotoGrips.
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Post by: golfnutFL on October 01, 2006, 12:12:01 PM
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What is the relationship between Banger Bowling and Visionary? If that connection was made in this thread, I apologize for missing it, but I didn't get it from reading the thread.
Visionary makes Banger's balls....I like that!
Much like Columbia makes DynoThane's or Storm makes RotoGrips.
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Interesting, I'd never heard of them before....we'll have to see how their debut is received later this month.
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