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roaddogg

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PBA Events
« on: October 31, 2004, 03:24:07 PM »
Another small ball company got there name out there in the bowling world today and that company is Morich. My question is how does the CEO of Visionary expect to grow and get there name out there if they do not take risk just like Morich did. Personally i would think that this company would lose money because you cannot uses there equipment on any PBA level. Another thing is that I had to switch companies because of this and I had switched out with Morich I think this will be a pretty good trade.
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scotts33

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Re: PBA Events
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2004, 05:49:43 AM »
Read the front page of Visionary's website.  http://www.visionarybowling.com/
Their view point on PBA registration of their products is well explained there.

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roaddogg

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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2004, 11:28:38 AM »
It might be explained yes but when it comes to me and many others that used Visionary and only Visionary and that is all we own or all we are accustom to. Then the rug is ripped out from under us because i had spent a small fortune with them and now i cannot use them at regionals and I cannot run out and just drop money like water for new stuff.
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Re: PBA Events
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2004, 12:36:33 PM »

Roaddogg,

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Our corporate goal has always been to serve the bowling public with high quality, high performing bowling balls at an affordable price. In order to maintain these goals, and continue serving bowlers and pro shops with the same commitment and price structure that they have become accustomed to, we felt the only option was to temporarily step away from the PBA.


I understand where you are coming from, as does the rest of Visionary Bowling Products.  At this point in time, do you think that the regional events are worth the time and effort with the poor payout?....I'm speaking from my own personal opinion and asking this question to you as one bowler to another.  I mean, how do you feel about finishing in 19th place in a Regional and the guy who finishes 41st gets the same amount of money that you do?

I know nothing about you, but feel you are a little quick to turn face on a ball company trying to bring a better and stronger future to the bowling industry and it's supporters.  Obviously you've been dedicated to Visionary for it's products and pricing and not just because you could throw them in a PBA event.  From one bowler to another, unless bowling is all you do for a living, missing a few Regionals isn't hurting you financially.  Besides, in the reverse scheme of things, Visionary has gotten their name out there because they didn't pay the sponsorship....everyone knows that and will be eager to see what happens when the company makes the move back over.

Just be patient my friend.....and if you just can't wait, your loyalty over the years has been greatly appreciated.

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scotts33

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Re: PBA Events
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2004, 01:08:20 PM »
roaddogg--Not exactly sure where you are coming from.  Visionary hasn't been registered with the PBA for Nat'l tour events for a couple of years.  Regionals not sure about. Evidently, you are just coming out to bowl regionals or just started using Visionary products.  Either way, it is up to the player to do the investigation necessary.  The player can not assume that ALL products are registered many aren't including Visionary.

By the by...if you are new to PBA you better check to see if your shoes,  wrist support if you use one, etc are registered with the PBA.  I assume you have done that homework.  

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htotheizzo3561

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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2004, 09:56:42 PM »
Visionary last year I believe was called all around.  Meaning that it could be used in Regional, Senior, and National events except on tv.
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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2004, 06:57:17 AM »
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Visionary last year I believe was called all around. Meaning that it could be used in Regional, Senior, and National events except on tv.


htotheizzo3561--What do you mean "called all around"?  I'm not getting it.

From my recollection Visionary has NOT been PBA registered for two years...before that yes.  

Anybody else remember?

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roaddogg

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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2004, 11:05:28 AM »
Visionary was registered last year cause i used there equipment in my regionals. The registation ran out Sept 1 of this year
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2004, 08:18:53 PM »
In the newsletter last year, it states all around.  It's just the term of the catagory in which the company falls under.
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scotts33

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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2004, 08:39:45 PM »
I guess, I still don't get it by "all around".  Does this mean that Visionary MUST be registered by the PBA to be an all around ball maufacturer or what?

To that end what does it cost to be registered for Regional, Sr. and Nat'l PBA?  Anybody?

I assume the cost for Regional and Sr. registration is much less as some mfgs. like Lane #1, MoRich, Visionary chose to do that for a time.  Nat'l registration must be a large sum.  

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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2004, 08:46:27 PM »
Okay one more time, The pba gets money in order for companies to brand their equipment in Pba events with prices ranging from 30k to 120k.  "All around" was just a term, meaning that visionary balls CAN BE USED in all pba competition except on tv.  
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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2004, 09:30:00 AM »
That isn't true...I remember seeing Micheal Haugen Jr. (who was on the Visionary Team) throwing a Green Gargoyle against Walter Ray in one of the tourneys last year...on TV.  If I remember correctly, he switched to a warlock, cause the G.G. wasn't working too well, but don't quote me on the last part.  And I know that he threw Visionary on TV, cause I was talking to him and Amletto at a Pro-Am in Orlando. (My good buddy throws Track equipment, so we were both stoked to run into those two).

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scotts33

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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2004, 09:36:01 AM »
OK here's the deal.  I was interested enough to find out from the PBA EXACTLY what's the scoop on product registration since there didn't seem to be a definite answer.  

I e-mailed John Weber Midwest PBA director and he referred me to Samantha Mulligan with the PBA in Seattle.  Here's the info. via e-mail verbatim.  

Hi Scott:  
 
Thanks for inquiring about Product Registration.  To be Fully Product Registered at National, Regional and Senior levels the cost is $111,750 and includes TV rights. All Tour Competition gives you the same rights as Full Registration without TV privileges and costs $55,000, if your player was to make TV the cost would be $7,500 per player, per episode.   Grassroots costs $35,000 and includes just the Regional and Senior tours.  If you have any other questions, or would like a registration package sent to you, please let me know.
 
Best wishes, Sam


Very interesting and now you know the costs involved.

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Re: PBA Events
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2004, 10:12:10 AM »
Scott,

Does this mean the company can pay $55K for all rights except TV, but when Haugen was scheduled to appear on TV, then, before the telecast, Visionary had to hand over a check for $7,500.00 to the PBA in order for Haugen to use Visionary's balls on TV?

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« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2004, 10:32:25 AM »
I think so charlest.  Not sure how they collect the $.  I got this right from the horses mouth so to speak Samantha Mulligan PBA/Seattle in charge of PBA registration of products.

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