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Q & A
« on: April 13, 2007, 04:50:01 AM »
Hello All,

     For those of you who don't know me, my name is Jason Wonders, VP of Marketing for Visionary Bowling Products.  Lately I have been receiving a lot of requests to come on here and provide information and insight into our equipment line.  

     Typically, I like to stand back and view these posts from the outside so that I get unbiased opinions.  However, since there has been enough demand, I figured I would start a post that could strictly be a question and answer section on our line of equipment.

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« Reply #106 on: July 17, 2007, 12:18:38 AM »
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For me the NPT does not move in oil at all, it acts like a urethane ball.



I havent used my NPT in quite awhile, but I remember it did not hook a lot.  Had a very mellow and gradual hook so it reminded me very much like a urethane ball and that's how I recommended it to someone who was looking for a ball to replace their old Blue Hammer.

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« Reply #107 on: July 17, 2007, 07:59:23 PM »
That's what the Scorcher has ALWAYS been about a ball for flooded heads with not a lot of hook that you could play the lanes straighter and have some hit on the backend.  Look at Visionary's old PR.  It's not resin but heavy particle that was always good for a flood at least IMO.


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Re: Q & A
« Reply #108 on: July 18, 2007, 01:54:51 AM »
NPT = Non Particle Technology?


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« Reply #109 on: July 18, 2007, 02:04:22 AM »
Ok, I found Jason's earlier reply about the NPT.  Here it is as it may have dropped off some people's preferences.
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Hi John,

The NPT was a completely unique monster, and unlike anything that we released prior or since. At that point in time, the idea was that particle balls would give you a more consistant roll, yet still carry like reactives. We felt that we could do this with a liquid additive we found overseas, hence the term NPT (non particle technology).

The reaction we received to this ball varied greatly from bowler to bowler, and quickly became a love/hate bowling ball. Those that desired control, and could be consistant with their release and speed loved this ball, while others who were used to just cranking it up and hoping the ball would make up for their mistakes hated it. It didn't have the backend of a reactive, and didn't handle quite as much oil as alot of the particle balls, so I think it confused as many bowlers as it helped. However, I think we got what we were looking for at the time; a control ball that carried like reactives.

Your information on the materials used in equipment is a little bit off. Most if not all polyurethane balls on the market use a 2 part system containing a polyether polyol and an isocyanate. These two compounds react together to form a new chain called a polyurethane (no catalyst is needed, as the reaction is self sustained until completion).

Additives can be anything that range from fillers to liquid compounds that may or may not be involved in the reaction process at all. In the case of the NPT, it was a specialized chain extender from overseas that created the difference in reaction. It allowed the material to maintain a shore D hardness above the legal limit, yet made the bonds more flexible than your typical reactive urethanes (you probably noticed that when sanding the ball, it filled up your sandpaper quicker than normal)

Polyester balls are completely different and use a catalyst, typically an organic peroxide, to start a free radical mechanism in which the polyester chains use a monomer to crosslink themselves. There are no urethane components, and adding a isocyanate would do nothing to a polyester resin (unless it contained an active hydroxyl group, in which case it would make something completely different).

I think your confusion comes in with the fact that there are chemical compositions called polyester polyols, which can be combined with an isocyanate to create polyurethane compounds. However, these typically do not have desirable characteristics for bowling balls (atleast not in anything I've ever tested).

The "oil absorbing cells" are nothing more than microscopic pores. It is true that reactive bowling balls are urethanes, but they contain special plasticizers that allow for the use of polyols that otherwise could not be used to create bowling balls. This is partially what causes reactive bowling balls to be more brittle than the older urethanes and what helps create these pores. As chemists, we are currently pushing the limits of urethane compatibility, and some "reactive urethanes" are stronger than others.

To answer your question, I would say that in bowling terms the NPT is not your typical urethane, reactive, or particle, but instead something completely unique. We tried it on that ball and it only received a luke warm reception, so we canned the coverstock.


Hope this helps explain a little,
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Re: Q & A
« Reply #110 on: July 18, 2007, 05:00:36 AM »
What I meant by particle was the feel.  Very rough surface in OOB new.  Sorry wrong terminology.
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Re: Q & A
« Reply #111 on: July 18, 2007, 02:24:44 PM »
Hi Scott,

I think you may be confusing the blue Scorcher NPT with the original Midnight Scorcher.  The black Scorcher did have a urethane base, with an added particle, and was definitely made for heavier oils.  It came scuffed, and felt very rough to the touch.

The NPT however, came polished, and felt pretty slick.  It used the liquid additive from overseas, and did not contain any particles.  NPT stood for non particle technology, and was designed to give the roll of a particle with the hit of a reactive.

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Re: Q & A
« Reply #112 on: July 18, 2007, 08:35:23 PM »
I'm thinking the original Midnight Scorcher.  Sheesh, I have to read the posts better.

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Re: Q & A
« Reply #113 on: February 05, 2009, 12:05:42 PM »
ttt for Frank.



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Re: Q & A
« Reply #114 on: February 05, 2009, 12:30:27 PM »
How can we see the whole thread?
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Re: Q & A
« Reply #115 on: February 05, 2009, 12:36:18 PM »
Nor Cal, sent you a PM explaining how.


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Re: Q & A
« Reply #116 on: February 05, 2009, 12:59:23 PM »
Nice bump.  I don't remember if I ever saw this.  Of course, with my luck, my name is in one of the 5 pages of replies and I'm too lazy to look!!  LOL!!

This is yet another reason of why Visionary is the best.  Who from Ebonite or Storm is going to do something like this and in the level of detail done by Jason.  Never mind the fact that the replies are thought out here.....but there are even posts of mails Jason sent out explaining stuff.

Great read on page 5 about the process involved in creating the NPT and possibly a based for most of the balls.  Do the big guys do this as well??
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« Reply #117 on: February 05, 2009, 06:08:04 PM »
how do we view the whole thread
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Re: Q & A
« Reply #118 on: February 06, 2009, 11:02:51 AM »
To read entire thread, click here.

Then exit the page.  Don't do anything else.  You should be able to go back to this topic and see all the older posts.  If you ever go back and change your Preferences, you will lose this ability, but you could just click on the link above again.



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Re: Q & A
« Reply #119 on: February 06, 2009, 12:17:22 PM »
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Dear Jason:

Though it's not usual business, I would like to see some kind of systematic explanation of what you sell.  What the balls are supposed to do, and how they fit in.  i.e. The Hammers had names (simple to understand), and people were easily able to recognize what they did, and do.

If the balls have names like, Dynomite, Horse bridle, house, mary, rock...etc. It is difficult, no impossible to make some kind of sense out of them.  

I am trying to understand what your balls are made of, and what they do.  The reason is I really want to try one.  It seems however that some of the stuff I want to try is already out of production.  Anyway, I would like to have that information.

Thanks.


do you REALLY expect every manufacture to take most likely a hour or two out of there day to explain to you how every single one of there balls work, how they compare to each other and how they compare to your fossilized equipment?  give me a break. Quit posting up the nonesensical topics demanding that these manufactures contact you and bend over backwards to sell you one ball. Get a grip there bud.
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Re: Q & A
« Reply #120 on: February 06, 2009, 12:23:53 PM »
Actually Jason will take time out of his day and post.  Jason and Jim answer e-mails daily about Visionary questions.  Agreed that FB is a lil over the top.

If, you know and if you don't know then you need to find out about ball specs. factors like different coverstocks, cores, Rg's, differentail well help you figure that for yourself.  Strength and match up.  This is where your driller comes in to help figure out what will match up for you and your bowling technique along with lane conditions bowled on.  Manufacturers can only go so far and reccomend balls that might work.  

http://visionarybowling.com/ is pretty good at descriptions.
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