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VBPadvertising · « **on:** April 13, 2007, 04:50:01 AM »

Hello All,

For those of you who don't know me, my name is Jason Wonders, VP of Marketing for Visionary Bowling Products. Lately I have been receiving a lot of requests to come on here and provide information and insight into our equipment line.

Typically, I like to stand back and view these posts from the outside so that I get unbiased opinions. However, since there has been enough demand, I figured I would start a post that could strictly be a question and answer section on our line of equipment.

Fire away,
Jason Wonders
Visionary Bowling Products

jbuzz31 · « **Reply #121 on:** February 06, 2009, 12:32:44 PM »

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Actually Jason will take time out of his day and post. Jason and Jim answer e-mails daily about Visionary questions. Agreed that FB is a lil over the top.

right theres the difference between a normal straightforward reasonable question.......then theres this guys questions which give you convolutions just reading them, heaven forbid answering them to his satisfaction
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Nor Cal Bowler · « **Reply #122 on:** February 06, 2009, 12:44:46 PM »

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Actually Jason will take time out of his day and post. Jason and Jim answer e-mails daily about Visionary questions. Agreed that FB is a lil over the top.

right theres the difference between a normal straightforward reasonable question.......then theres this guys questions which give you convolutions just reading them, heaven forbid answering them to his satisfaction
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jbuzz31 · « **Reply #123 on:** February 06, 2009, 12:51:52 PM »

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What do you mean???

just look at the thread over in the lane 1 forum where he EXPECTED lane 1 to send a left hander with a 190 avg to meet with him and roll the liberator just so he could compare it to his game.
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livespive · « **Reply #124 on:** February 06, 2009, 01:07:11 PM »

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Actually Jason will take time out of his day and post. Jason and Jim answer e-mails daily about Visionary questions. Agreed that FB is a lil over the top.

right theres the difference between a normal straightforward reasonable question.......then theres this guys questions which give you convolutions just reading them, heaven forbid answering them to his satisfaction
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If he would read the data on each of the ball they tell you what the ball does. Now you might have RG or DIFF questions, not knowing what they are, but you know what the ball does.

The "Hammers" Rhinos, and U dots that were used in the past just had color names, you still had to read to learn what they did. Granted back in the day all there was to say was, the burgandy outhooks the black for the most part.

The game is different now. I am not thot old but I am old enough to have bowled through the "transision" from Rhino to Rhino pro Urethane to Reactive.
I think there was an article in in one of the bowling mags about the resin release, talking about how you lay the ball out and let it do the work.

Best thing for him to do is hit a proshop, and have him watch you a few times then tell him what he wants.
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Edited on 2/6/2009 2:28 PM

Nor Cal Bowler · « **Reply #125 on:** February 06, 2009, 01:25:05 PM »

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Dear Jason:

Though it's not usual business, I would like to see some kind of systematic explanation of what you sell. What the balls are supposed to do, and how they fit in. i.e. The Hammers had names (simple to understand), and people were easily able to recognize what they did, and do.

If the balls have names like, Dynomite, Horse bridle, house, mary, rock...etc. It is difficult, no impossible to make some kind of sense out of them.

I am trying to understand what your balls are made of, and what they do. The reason is I really want to try one. It seems however that some of the stuff I want to try is already out of production. Anyway, I would like to have that information.

Thanks.

Frank,

I'm sorry, but what more do you honestly want? I've explained all I can to you about everything. I know you love the predictability and control of the urethane. Unfortunatly it seems most people on the market love to see the backend snap.

For instance you have New cars and classic cars. Yes there are people who love that '65 Mustang, but they cannot continue to make that '65 mustang, cause there is progress. They go through changes, then eventually the retro look comes back but not all the way. Ie the current Mustangs look like the mustangs of old but more modernized. For example the Blue/Green Centaur is Urethane like in control but with reactive cover and hit.

Use the car example for names like you said. If you are a person who knows nothing about cars what do you get out of the names of the cars?? For example no car company is going to come out with a for instance "Brand J Fast as Hell". Just like with bowling balls, its all about names, colors, appeal etc. No company is going to name their ball "Brand X Smooth to the Pocket" or "Brand Y Fast Violent Snap to the Pocket". You can't go by the names of products.

I know I haven't been bowling that long (1 year), I know I'm a righty Stroker and not a lefty tweener/stroker like yourself, but I have the Red Sorcerer, the Midnight Scorcher (aka The Hair Ball), the Scorcher NPT (which I know is not a Urethane ball but a very nice control piece), and I can drill up my Blue/Green Centaur so you can see how each reacts next to each other. Or whatever else is in the Visionary line up cause I pretty much have every ball but 2 that has been ever made by the Visionary Company (the two newest balls). I'm happy to help you out the best I can with whatever you want to achieve!
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livespive · « **Reply #126 on:** February 06, 2009, 01:39:49 PM »

quote:
quote:
Dear Jason:

Though it's not usual business, I would like to see some kind of systematic explanation of what you sell. What the balls are supposed to do, and how they fit in. i.e. The Hammers had names (simple to understand), and people were easily able to recognize what they did, and do.

If the balls have names like, Dynomite, Horse bridle, house, mary, rock...etc. It is difficult, no impossible to make some kind of sense out of them.

I am trying to understand what your balls are made of, and what they do. The reason is I really want to try one. It seems however that some of the stuff I want to try is already out of production. Anyway, I would like to have that information.

Thanks.

Frank,

I'm sorry, but what more do you honestly want? I've explained all I can to you about everything. I know you love the predictability and control of the urethane. Unfortunatly it seems most people on the market love to see the backend snap.

For instance you have New cars and classic cars. Yes there are people who love that '65 Mustang, but they cannot continue to make that '65 mustang, cause there is progress. They go through changes, then eventually the retro look comes back but not all the way. Ie the current Mustangs look like the mustangs of old but more modernized. For example the Blue/Green Centaur is Urethane like in control but with reactive cover and hit.

Use the car example for names like you said. If you are a person who knows nothing about cars what do you get out of the names of the cars?? For example no car company is going to come out with a for instance "Brand J Fast as Hell". Just like with bowling balls, its all about names, colors, appeal etc. No company is going to name their ball "Brand X Smooth to the Pocket" or "Brand Y Fast Violent Snap to the Pocket". You can't go by the names of products.

I know I haven't been bowling that long (1 year), I know I'm a righty Stroker and not a lefty tweener/stroker like yourself, but I have the Red Sorcerer, the Midnight Scorcher (aka The Hair Ball), the Scorcher NPT (which I know is not a Urethane ball but a very nice control piece), and I can drill up my Blue/Green Centaur so you can see how each reacts next to each other. Or whatever else is in the Visionary line up cause I pretty much have every ball but 2 that has been ever made by the Visionary Company (the two newest balls). I'm happy to help you out the best I can with whatever you want to achieve!
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Frank,

maybe you should just take a leap of faith. That's what I did, and it was the best thing I ever did. I had never heard of Visionary, but when they stopped making the Rhino Pro T2, and the Copper X, I started looking for a replacement. I would read about balls, and try different balls, finally on an internet search I seen this company, and got to looking at the selection, and notice the cores looked like the T2 somewhat (the Executioners). They weren't the same but close, so I tried them, drilled up a charcoal, did some more reading and I have been "Hooked" from then on lol.
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Nor Cal Bowler · « **Reply #127 on:** February 06, 2009, 01:48:04 PM »

quote:
quote:
quote:
Dear Jason:

Though it's not usual business, I would like to see some kind of systematic explanation of what you sell. What the balls are supposed to do, and how they fit in. i.e. The Hammers had names (simple to understand), and people were easily able to recognize what they did, and do.

If the balls have names like, Dynomite, Horse bridle, house, mary, rock...etc. It is difficult, no impossible to make some kind of sense out of them.

I am trying to understand what your balls are made of, and what they do. The reason is I really want to try one. It seems however that some of the stuff I want to try is already out of production. Anyway, I would like to have that information.

Thanks.

Frank,

I'm sorry, but what more do you honestly want? I've explained all I can to you about everything. I know you love the predictability and control of the urethane. Unfortunatly it seems most people on the market love to see the backend snap.

For instance you have New cars and classic cars. Yes there are people who love that '65 Mustang, but they cannot continue to make that '65 mustang, cause there is progress. They go through changes, then eventually the retro look comes back but not all the way. Ie the current Mustangs look like the mustangs of old but more modernized. For example the Blue/Green Centaur is Urethane like in control but with reactive cover and hit.

Use the car example for names like you said. If you are a person who knows nothing about cars what do you get out of the names of the cars?? For example no car company is going to come out with a for instance "Brand J Fast as Hell". Just like with bowling balls, its all about names, colors, appeal etc. No company is going to name their ball "Brand X Smooth to the Pocket" or "Brand Y Fast Violent Snap to the Pocket". You can't go by the names of products.

I know I haven't been bowling that long (1 year), I know I'm a righty Stroker and not a lefty tweener/stroker like yourself, but I have the Red Sorcerer, the Midnight Scorcher (aka The Hair Ball), the Scorcher NPT (which I know is not a Urethane ball but a very nice control piece), and I can drill up my Blue/Green Centaur so you can see how each reacts next to each other. Or whatever else is in the Visionary line up cause I pretty much have every ball but 2 that has been ever made by the Visionary Company (the two newest balls). I'm happy to help you out the best I can with whatever you want to achieve!
--------------------
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www.visionarybowling.com

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Frank,

maybe you should just take a leap of faith. That's what I did, and it was the best thing I ever did. I had never heard of Visionary, but when they stopped making the Rhino Pro T2, and the Copper X, I started looking for a replacement. I would read about balls, and try different balls, finally on an internet search I seen this company, and got to looking at the selection, and notice the cores looked like the T2 somewhat (the Executioners). They weren't the same but close, so I tried them, drilled up a charcoal, did some more reading and I have been "Hooked" from then on lol.
--------------------
Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
Visionary Test Staff Member
http://www.visionarybowling.com
http://www.maysbowlingandbilliards.com
Ball Reviews FAQ
BR.com search hack: http://www.bowling-info.com/Search.html

Eric,

Well in Frank's defense is that he got burned pretty well by another proshop in town that was just selling him bowling balls and not giving him what he wants and fits his style. Now he is a customer at my friends shop and we have been working with him to get what fits his needs.

But then some of the things he wants/expects like the name thing is not really rational. In business that is not how things work.

But like I said he can see pretty much everything cause I have it. I don't see anyone from any other company be it customer, employee, Staffer, etc offering to do that for him.

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livespive · « **Reply #128 on:** February 06, 2009, 01:55:02 PM »

No problem,

He may also want to try a few used balls. That is what I did when I found this site, and found Visionary.
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gsback · « **Reply #129 on:** February 06, 2009, 06:40:51 PM »

What ball manufacturer named the balls according to what they did?? Even Hammer didn't do that. Some of the names gave an indication of what they were as the 3Ds and 4Ds related to the density blocks if I remember.....but that's about it.

I do agree though Eric/NCal.....I think by reading...asking a couple of questions and getting insight from others, Frank is going to more than get the information he seeks.

He's got to have an open mind though.
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MC · « **Reply #130 on:** February 06, 2009, 11:01:41 PM »

Frank,
Also remember that VBP does have some of the d/c'd balls in stock as blems
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