Post by: scotts33 on March 14, 2011, 11:40:09 PM
Here's my latest addition. Old school! Layout is 68* 4" 58* PSA is 1 1/2"s right of thumb between X hole and thumb. You'll note CG is 2"s right of pin. This how much shift was needed to put PSA right of thumb with needed large X hole to make legal. Put the X hole at P3 to shift the PSA. I took the cover to 4000 abralon.
Anyone else use a huge shift on a Vis. ball and what was your results?
I added this ball to combat the lower volume wet/dry house shot that I bowl 2 leagues on. During the spring with the warmer temps. and the house management taking this THS to lower volume more wet/dry I will be able to play closer to the oil line and out to the dry without the jack knife thru the face that you normally see on a wet/dry shot. Being that this ball has a very much like urethane cover and ball motion that is what I am hoping for.
For comparison B/G Centaur @ OOB works realtively well playing 9 arrows to 5 break point but can still jack knife at times or high leaving 4 pins. And if I move into the oil more say 11 to 7 it is a bit inconsistent. So, I am hoping this ball will allow more of that line just a bit inside 10 and 7-8 at breakpoint with still a smooth arc but enough pop to carry well.
Scott
Edited by scotts33 on 3/15/2011 at 7:52 AM
Post by: ch_flash on March 16, 2011, 08:07:52 AM
Looks interesting. Let us know how it works for you.
Did you spin it first to know where or how to drill it?
If you didn't like that strike, just watch this one!
Post by: scotts33 on March 16, 2011, 08:16:29 AM
Yes, I did spin it first to fine the PSA. I haven't had a chance to roll it yet so not sure but worth trying. I am hoping to find the reason why the other newer assymetricals did not roll well for me. This huge label shift puts the PSA right of the thumb in a more dynamic position which is totally different than what I have drilled in the past.
Scott
Post by: ch_flash on March 16, 2011, 08:47:34 AM
I wish I could have spun the Midnight Scorcher first. So far, I can roll it left handed(great reaction) or no thumb right handed(Mega revs with a ton of roll). I'm having release issues with my thumb in it.
I think I should have used the drill sheet that was in the box. lol.
If you didn't like that strike, just watch this one!
Post by: Juggernaut on March 16, 2011, 09:19:12 AM
Please do keep us updated. I have been thinking about doing almost exactly the same thing.
Post by: scotts33 on April 21, 2011, 06:46:24 AM
Update on old wood THS 3 person tourney last night. Started with a Hammer Trap and never had a decent look too far left 4-9'ed 9th frame so switched to NPT Scorcher and stuck out in 10th. Then proceed in the 2nd game to go stone 7 pin and then the next 11 in a row. 290. So don't tell me you need modern technology to score. 
The more and more, I roll the old stuff the more it matches up to the modern walled up lane conditions and you don't have to throw it 25 miles an hour.
I picked up a G-3 this week....more older school!
Scott
Post by: TWOHAND834 on April 21, 2011, 09:33:28 AM
+1,000,000................I agree with this. On your THS, unless you are really rev challenged and/or speed dominate, you do not need the super $200.00 oil soakers to score. Even at the USBCs, I have scored rather well with the same two balls that were released back around 1999-2000 (Rock On and Green Gargoyle). I think this is the reason why you will tend to see more sales in the lower to mid price points, Scott.
Peace doesnt always have to be silent.
Post by: OddBalls on April 21, 2011, 01:53:23 PM
For me, that ball would go 20' and make a left turn into the gutter..
Where are you finding enough oil to use this Beast??
Yes. it's I, the Inverted One..
Post by: scotts33 on April 21, 2011, 02:39:51 PM
Have you ever rolled one?
At P4000 abralon this cover is not anywhere near the strength of any reactive cover that I have now. For comparison's sake on this same THS on old wood a Hammer Trap with a 55* 5" 45* x hole P2 @ 4000 abralon hooks way harder on the back end friction and 5 boards parallel left of the NPT. The NPT Scorcher is a smooth arc like reaction with no over reaction that you will get with reactive covers. Old school urethane reaction but with some moxy at the pin deck. You swear watching it roll the last 10' into the 1-3 that it's going to go thru the face but I have learned to play for that and it's carry is dramatic.
Scott
Post by: scotts33 on April 22, 2011, 09:10:06 AM
Just an FYI....FIGJAM. Same tourney different team....same game 2nd got it right this time. 300! 
The NPT is special on this old wood/Guardian front wet/dry THS.
Scott
Post by: charlest on April 22, 2011, 10:09:06 AM
Congrats, Scott!!!
Great bowling, NPT or anything else!
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
"Some bowlers are crazy as pickled cats."
Post by: scotts33 on April 23, 2011, 09:11:21 AM
Scott
Post by: MI 2 AZ on April 23, 2011, 01:03:14 PM
Scott, Congratulations on your 300 game. Nice bowling.
Edited to add:
I remember reading others saying that the NPT was like a slightly stronger version of the old Blue Hammer urethane.
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on April 23, 2011, 01:14:30 PM
Congrats Scott!!!! Little ironic that after having issues for a while with some ball reaction that not only did you find a good ball reaction in something old school, you fire a PERFECTO!! Very nice.
Peace doesnt always have to be silent.
Post by: scotts33 on April 23, 2011, 05:19:37 PM
Thanks Gary and Steve.
True Steve but I will be honest in this walled up house scores come pretty easily. Stronger/newer stuff work great IF you are really speed dominant with less hand. The key to scoring here and most walled up houses for me anyway is staying closer to the track area which I can do with the NPT and other equipment that will face up better in the 1-3. Pin down equipment and the NPT in particular if you look at layout with it's 2.61 Rg for length and P4000 seems to work. It still only flares 3" to 3 1/2"s.
The other issue that I have learned to spin my Visionary equipment find the PSAand lay them out stronger than I have in the past. That and going down to 14's has allowed this older codger to stay a but further right than I used to be able to.
I will also agree with what Gary says about the NPT being similar to the old Faball Blue Hammer coverstock wise and ball motion at least for me. People get hung up on the large total differential and the old 1999 advertising as a ball for heavy-medium but today's lane conditions and conditioners being more viscous you can't compare 1999 to 2011 IMO. Though most propreitors keep it very dry to the outside.
BTW..if you have one of these you need to wipe down after every shot I use Remedy RX. Oil does not soak in this cover repels it and it sits on top of ball. It is subject to carry down so you have to watch for that but what ball isn't these days....very few. You can play for the high hit and trip 4's which is not applicable to most equipment these days.
Last though is the NPT is in some ways similar and comparable lane condition wise to the B/G....the B/G cover being solid reactive and stronger than the NPT. The NPT with a larger motor and flare but weaker cover. I can play around the same trajectory with both. The NPT when it shines doesn't ping 10's at least for me.
Scott
Post by: Mr Old School on May 07, 2011, 04:56:18 AM
i like reading about the "Old School" reaction from the older equipment! I perfer the immortal solid, Centaur solid, centaur pearl, and the B/G centaur! I still have fm gryphon, and the pearl! A particle centaur, and the ogre line! i'm so impress with all the visionary stuff! So I say everybody needs the "Old School" stuff in their bags!
And congratulation to roll a perfecto with the "Old School" stuff!
Mr. Old SchoolIf you can't swing it, Your probally throwing brunswick!
Visionary test staff
Edited by Mr Old School on 5/8/2011 at 3:58 AM
Post by: Spike2112 on January 07, 2012, 06:26:38 PM
Added this one to my arsenal in Nov. and have seen my avg. go from 199 to 214. Was having trouble with the all-Gryphon lineup, as there was no enough oil for the Burgundy Gryphon and the Frankie May was burning up too soon on the second shift shot. Left me with the G-3 which isn't always the best choice with carrydown. Punched up a NIB Scorcher NPT and haven't used much else since! Kept it in box finish and find I can use it on a variety of conditions. A strong piece that hits as hard as any Visionary ball out there. I think this is one of the most under-rated balls ever to come out! Great work VBP
SpikeEdited by Spike2112 on 1/7/2012 at 7:33 PM
Post by: scotts33 on January 08, 2012, 03:14:25 AM
Scott
Post by: ch_flash on January 25, 2012, 01:02:33 PM
Scott,
Where was the PSA prior to drilling it and then after? And, what do you think about doing this to my Midnight Scorcher? Just curious, because it flares a ton and rolls out. I know that it isn't suppose to hook a lot, but I'd like it to roll better. Maybe a continuous arch all the way to the pins like I thought it would. Or am I being too hopeful here?
If you didn't like that strike, just watch this one!
Post by: Mbosco on January 29, 2012, 06:36:03 AM
ch_flash,
Have you tried giving your midnight scorcher some loft? I've found I bleed soooooooo much energy with mine if the heads don't have a ton of oil, and then it rolls out on me. But if I give it about 5-8 feet of loft it's almost like a completely different ball. I know that much loft isn't everyone's favorite idea, but I thought I might throw it out there.
Post by: scotts33 on January 29, 2012, 06:49:19 AM
Scott
Post by: ch_flash on January 29, 2012, 09:11:28 AM
It may just be an issue with not clearing my thumb. I can throw it no-thumb and it rolls great, but with my thumb in it, not so good.
That is the only reason I asked.
Thanks. I'll recheck the fit.
If you didn't like that strike, just watch this one!
Post by: MI 2 AZ on January 29, 2012, 06:06:05 PM
Seeing this topic kicked up to the top a few times made me decide to try my old NPT again.
Took it to sport league - 40' Athens. NPT had a nice smooth move with a little backend hook to keep me in play most of the match. 3rd game I was thinking I needed to switch balls but I didn't until the tenth - struck out with the B/G Centaur. The Centaur seems to be a step down for me from the NPT.
I liked what I saw with the NPT. I seem to recall that years ago I did not like how the NPT was reacting on the lanes, but on the Athens it was holding the line nicely. So thanks to Scott for reminding me about this ball.
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Post by: scotts33 on January 31, 2012, 11:39:24 PM
Gary just saw your post. Yes agreed NPT is great on semi blended lanes that have a bit of volume most would term medium and no more. I use the NPT on older wood that is a decent blend and maul them. Just don't see enough blend too much wet/dry walls. I've been using an Ogre SS with some surface for that.
Scott