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Title: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: PJM300 on August 04, 2003, 03:14:10 AM
Bowlingballreviews.com has the pic

Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: Jeffrevs on August 05, 2003, 07:40:34 AM
Brian,....
Yep, it's the Gargoyle core wrapped in urethane!.......

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Just chimin' in !

Edited on 8/5/2003 9:03 AM
Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: charlee323 on August 21, 2003, 07:30:59 AM
Anyone know when this is going to be released?
Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: A_P_K on August 21, 2003, 09:29:16 AM
With that wrap around it, that looks like a slighlty modified Gryphon core.  (Which is the Gargoyle core anyways).  I bet that ball is going to hurt the pins once it gets to the pocket!!!!.
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Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: Bujo on August 21, 2003, 01:16:46 PM
Finally! At last a company realizes how to make a dry lane ball. Resin never works, and a weak core sacrafices too much power. Thank god visionary is so smart. Weak surface and real core is better than strong surface and (vitrtually)no core. I cant wait to get my hands on this. I have a Granite Gargoyle(heavy or long), a Wicked(med or league), and an accura (spare). This thing will fit in perfectly. Does anyone think i should get a green gargoyle to replace my Wicked so i'll have a gargoyle arsenal? I may consider it when i get more money
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Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: TappaKegga on August 21, 2003, 02:18:26 PM
Bujo --- I was thinking the same thing.  I'm thinking that a arsenal of Gargoyles (Slate, Green & Granite) could cover just about everything, especially if I perfect my adjustments.
Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: A_P_K on August 21, 2003, 02:27:03 PM
You might need to consider something other than the Granite for the floods unless you doctor up the cover.  

My friend throws one of those and it's super versatile, just not real effective in longer heavier oils.  You'll be able to handle almost everything you see with the Granite.
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!
Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: mumzie on August 21, 2003, 03:17:34 PM
Is this new urethane ball pearl, or polished solid?
Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: A_P_K on August 21, 2003, 03:21:50 PM
it is pearl
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Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: MI 2 AZ on August 21, 2003, 03:54:52 PM
quote:
Anyone know when this is going to be released?  



2nd week of Sept.
Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: Strider on August 21, 2003, 04:16:08 PM
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it is pearl
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Are you sure about this???  BBR's specs only say 1500 polished urethane.  Just because it has swirling in the color doesn't automatically make it a pearl.
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Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: A_P_K on August 21, 2003, 04:19:57 PM
Actually I'm not sure.....I thought I was but now I'm just speculating.  I guess I heard rumors and kept them in my head.  Oh well..........but don't you think a solid polished urethane will be too much ball for lighter conditions?

I had and original two piece red hammer urethane pearl that was too much ball for toast.
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!
Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: MI 2 AZ on August 21, 2003, 04:27:39 PM
Just asked Visionary and they said it is a pearl.
Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: A_P_K on August 21, 2003, 04:32:22 PM
Damn...I thought so...........with that core a solid urethane would be off the charts for lighter patterns.  I guess I didn't hear rumors after all.

I also emailed Visionary a few minutes ago myself to make sure, but I didn't get anything from them yet.
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!
Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: Strider on August 21, 2003, 04:54:00 PM
Thanks for checking guys.  Sound great to me.  I've been wanting something like this for a while.  Looks like I'll be able to save a few bucks over an XXL.

Slate Gargoyle:  RG = 2.59, diff = 0.038

XXL: RG = 2.557, diff = 0.024

My only concerns are for the higher differential (flare) on the Gargoyle and the rumored cracking problems Visionary had with the Glowing Amulet's urethane.
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Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: MI 2 AZ on August 21, 2003, 06:17:43 PM
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the rumored cracking problems Visionary had with the Glowing Amulet's urethane.




I hadnt heard those.  I've had mine for about a year now and so far no problems and it has hit something around the pindeck area once or twice and gone flying up.  That is never a good feeling to see it go airborne at the pindeck  
Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: charlee323 on August 21, 2003, 09:12:42 PM
thanks on the release date, I was going to have something redrilled; but I can waite a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: A_P_K on August 22, 2003, 07:22:22 AM
What is the hardness of the Slate Blue.......if I recall the hardness of the Glowing Amulet was somewhere around 86 on the durometer.  Could that also attribute to cracking other than the glowing additive?
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!
Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: Bujo on August 23, 2003, 11:28:23 PM
Im betting the glow additive may have given it such hardness, but what do i know?
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"Isn't Bowling supposed to be scored like Golf?"
Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: Doug Sterner on August 24, 2003, 10:22:05 AM
If it was so hard, why did it track up like it did???

I had one for 5-10 games and it had a noticeable track in it by that time. I was using on regular (not fried) lane conditions as well...
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Doug's Pro Shop
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www.dougsproshop.net

Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: omegabowler on August 24, 2003, 10:25:48 AM
I had a nail back in the old urethane days. it tracked. I don't think hardness is all that's involved in tracking, maybe it's more brittle and the surface wears off just  differently.
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Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: plippens on September 03, 2003, 12:20:30 PM
What is the difference between the Slate Gargoyle and the Glowing Amulet, besides the "glow"?

Both are urethane covers wrapped in a Gargoyle Core.  

Just wondering if anyone has heard the difference?

Thanks,
plippens
Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: A_P_K on September 03, 2003, 12:52:23 PM
I'm not positive but if anyone more informed wants to follow up on me I think the hardness is the only difference.

The hardness of the Glow is like 86 on the durometer, to the eyes and hands it looks and feels like plastic.  Most likely it causes alot less friction then the urethane even though it's a polished pearl cover.
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!

Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.
Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: MI 2 AZ on September 03, 2003, 01:30:41 PM
Visionary said they tried to match the Glowing Amulet with the new urethane ball so they will have the same core and a slight difference in the shell material (probably because of lack of whatever made it glow).  So everything should be close to the Glowing Amulet, as far as specs go.
Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: MI 2 AZ on September 04, 2003, 06:23:41 PM
quote:
Anyone know when this is going to be released?


Visionary said Sept 15th.
Title: Re: Slate blue gargoyle pic
Post by: charlest on September 21, 2003, 10:09:52 PM
Differences between the Amulet Glow and the Slate Blue Gargoyle:

Aren't Visionary's own words the defining difference?
The website says the Slate is a pearl urethane. The Amulet Glow was a solid urethane.
"The Slate Blue Gargoyle uses the highly successful Gargoyle core design, and wraps it with a pearlized urethane coverstock."
That is a major difference. No matter how hard or polished it was, my Amulet got much less length length than I expected. I would surely expect the Slate Blue to get significantly more length.


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