Post by: agroves on October 11, 2004, 07:13:29 AM
I have seen a few Visionary balls but never thrown one myself. The Crimson Ex. looked devastating on the backend.
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Post by: Strider on October 11, 2004, 03:34:56 PM
It obviously doesn't bounce hard off the dry like resin. For me, the SBG fits nicely between a Storm Blue Hot Flame (weak resin) and plastic. The shiny pearl cover is allergic to oil, so it will skate a mile. I can get a fairly hard arc on drier conditions if I come around the Gargoyle, but I don't carry very well. A more up the back release keeps the ball rolling straighter towards the pocket and a much higher carry percentage.
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Post by: agroves on October 11, 2004, 03:41:45 PM
Andrew
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Post by: intergalactic on October 11, 2004, 03:44:40 PM
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Post by: agroves on October 11, 2004, 03:47:34 PM
andrew
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Post by: JPRLane1 on October 11, 2004, 03:48:39 PM
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I should just quit bowling, oh wait I already tried that.
Now that I am back and my Saws are sharp again, I am ready to cut some wood.
Post by: intergalactic on October 11, 2004, 03:50:29 PM
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Post by: agroves on October 11, 2004, 03:54:32 PM
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What about an old back hammer urethane would it hook more than the gargoyle? Hmmmmmm
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I should just get a gold angle....j/k
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Post by: charlest on October 11, 2004, 04:00:50 PM
My belief:
The problem is that pearl urethane will still grab the lane earlier than polished, mild resins, when the heads start to dry up or there's really short oil. This is true Unless you have higher balls speeds or 90 degrees rotational axis or some combination thereof.
When you move deeper, inside the 4th arrow, SOLELY because there's not enough oil, a mild pearlized resin, with enough backend (important factor) seems to work best. If you can stay at the 3rd arrow or outside it, at the arrows, and still get proper length on a ball like the Slate Blue, it will give you what you need. The majpr factor in this scenario is having enough energy left in the ball, after it starts hooking, for it to carry decently.
Pearlized urethane's forte is control and weaker backend after it starts to go thru the skid/hook/roll cycle.
I tried my SBG 3 weeks ago and couldn't get it long enough to retain energy. Once I had to go inside the 4th arrow, I couldn't get enough length on it, or have enough left to make that huge turn to the pocket. Had to go to polished resin, with a laydown point at the 39 board. OUCH! Thankfully they have put down serious oil since that time.
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Post by: intergalactic on October 11, 2004, 04:21:18 PM
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Post by: agroves on October 11, 2004, 06:57:19 PM
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Post by: louie on October 11, 2004, 08:42:32 PM
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Why does everyone laugh when I bowl?
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Post by: I_Bowl4Money on October 12, 2004, 08:38:03 AM
I've read all the posts and I'm really interested to know how you all have your Slates drilled. You talk about it having an agressive or violent backend...please let me know so I may comment further....I may be able to add a few tid-bits that may help in achieving the results you're looking for with this ball.
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Post by: charlest on October 12, 2004, 12:32:07 PM
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I've read all the posts and I'm really interested to know how you all have your Slates drilled. You talk about it having an agressive or violent backend...please let me know so I may comment further....I may be able to add a few tid-bits that may help in achieving the results you're looking for with this ball.
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I, for one, certainy never mentioned a violent backend. My observation so far is that, on dryish light oil lanes, it hooks earlier than a few of my resin balls. It has less backend than they do, but that is the good part of its control nature. That is also the reason I hesitate to use it from deeper inside angles. I'm thinking maybe I shuld try it on light to medium-light oil instead of waiting for drying conditions.
Mine has the pin about 1" above, 1/2" to the right of the ring finger with CG just above the center of the grip. This is roughly a 4 x 5 drilling for me with about 1 oz finger & top weight.
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Post by: louie on October 12, 2004, 03:39:35 PM
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Post by: I_Bowl4Money on October 12, 2004, 03:48:12 PM
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I have a SBG and it is a nice ball, but it isn't as mild as you might think. On really hooking conditions the SBG goes long and then really hooks a ton on the backend. Carry is very good, but sometimes I just can't get deep enough on the lane. I like it best when the heads are dry and some oil has carried down. I can play a bit straighter with the ball and pound the pocket all day. I actually find my Barbed Wire to be straighter than the SBG on most hooking conditions. The Barbed wire won't hit with carrydown where the SBG will. It all depends on what kind of dry we're talking about and how you roll the ball.
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My apologies as I was merely referring to Louie's post that I quoted above. That was just a part of information that stuck out in my mind, no means tended to dictate the reaction that everyone was getting.
Have any of you tried drilling the ball with the pin about 2 inches above the bridge, 4 3/4 to 5 1/2 inches from you axis and the CG set in the center of your grip??
If i'm not mistaken it looks like out of the three posts we have 2 layouts with somewhat of a strong stacked drill and another with an ARCH drill.
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Post by: charlest on October 12, 2004, 05:12:59 PM
No apology necessary. I was just making sure you understood where I was coming from. Sometimes one post gets so many varied responses that we have to chart them.
Mine is too new to change the drilling yet. Only used it a couple of times in practice and once in league. I'd modify the cover before I redrilled it, as a matter of procedure, for myself.
First, however, I want to try it on heavier oil than I have to date. (Heavier, not heavy). ALthough it's "only" a 4x5, the pin is very high for me, which should add some natural length.
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Post by: Strider on October 14, 2004, 01:04:25 AM
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