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Moon57

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VERY confusing layout instructions
« on: January 02, 2009, 12:48:23 AM »
Just got my AMB Centaur Particle delivered this morning. The layout instructions are contradictory. The cutaway view of the ball shows a 1/2" black flipcap pin and a 1/4" white amb locater pin. In the instructions to find the Virtual Mass Bias it says "Locate the Virtual Mass Bias by drawing a line around the ball from the AMB pin ( on the back of the ball) through the 1/2" white flip cap pin. mark an x 13.5" from the AMBpin ( 6.75" from the white pin )" Now the problem is the cut away view shows a 1/2" black flip cap pin. The ball itself has a 1/2" white pin and a 1/4" black pin. Plus, on a ball with no holes what's the front and what's the back? It also mentions the cg area but fails to say what the cg mark consists of. I'm not happy at all with the quality of these instructions.

With that being said, logic tells me that the size of the pins is what counts. So drawing a line from the 1/4" black locater pin through the 1/2" white pin a mark 6 3/4" past the 1/2" white pin will give me the VMB. What may be the cg mark is about halfway between the 1/2" white pin and the VMB mark. The thing is though I'm not used to seeing the serial # on the front of the ball in the grip area.

I'm not going to drill any holes until somebody can straighten this out. Thanks.
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Re: VERY confusing layout instructions
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2009, 12:51:51 PM »
Hey Moon,

You must have received one of the original flyers instead of the corrected one for some reason.  The 1/2" pin on the AMB Particle is white, and the locator pin is actually clear, but looks black inside the ball cause light doesn't penetrate it.  The VMB is directly opposite the locator pin, or 13.5" from the locator pin through the white flip pin.

As far as the CG goes, they are correct.  The CG is always marked with a small circle above the serial number.  We haven't changed that.

Another way of looking at the drilling, is simply to mark a spot 6 3/4" from the white pin through the cg.  This should be nearly identical to the 13 1/2" method, however it is not quite as accurate because the CG could be slightly off centerline.  HOWEVER, all of our balls are checked to make sure that the CG is very close to being in center, so it wouldn't be off by much.  

Jason Wonders
Visionary Bowling Products

Edited on 1/2/2009 1:53 PM
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Moon57

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Re: VERY confusing layout instructions
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2009, 01:59:38 PM »
Thanks for the info Jason. I'm really looking forward to using this ball. I think it'll wind up being one of the "always in the bag" balls for just in case.
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Jay

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Re: VERY confusing layout instructions
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2009, 06:10:58 PM »
Quick questions about the AMB balls.  You use the Flip Cap 1/2" pin as the reference to lay these balls out as if it was the locator pin on any other ball?

Also, do all Visionary balls have the serial number close to the CG or is that just the AMBs?  How much do Pin-CG distances vary on Visionary balls?  I'm under the impression that it's not much because if the CG is always right above the serial number you'd have to vary the location of both.

Just curious.  These particular balls are interesting to say the least.
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Re: VERY confusing layout instructions
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2009, 08:23:45 PM »
The CG is always right above the serial number, its look like a zero. The pin is the same as any other ball, the top of the core. The clear pin is opposite the true MB. Put a quarter scale with one end on the small pin, cross the main pin, the other end is the true MB (AMB). I drill a small dent(1/4") where this ends up.
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Moon57

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Re: VERY confusing layout instructions
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2009, 04:55:56 AM »
I think I see the logic for putting the serial# near the grip center. The serial# on my AMB Centaur Particle is engraved very deep. I don't think you would ever want the ball to roll over it. By being engraved so deep this ball can be resurfaced many times before you have to re-engrave the serial#. Also the cg mark is engraved just as deep.

Do the newer Visionary balls have the serial# engraved so deep?


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Re: VERY confusing layout instructions
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2009, 12:16:06 PM »
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Do the newer Visionary balls have the serial# engraved so deep?


I have an Ogre Solid with deep serials but on an Immortal Solid, the serial engraving is much narrower and does not look as deep, but that was a ball I purchased used, so it may have been sanded a lot prior to my ownership of it or Visionary uses different engraving machines in the factory.


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