Post by: Moon57 on January 02, 2009, 12:48:23 AM
With that being said, logic tells me that the size of the pins is what counts. So drawing a line from the 1/4" black locater pin through the 1/2" white pin a mark 6 3/4" past the 1/2" white pin will give me the VMB. What may be the cg mark is about halfway between the 1/2" white pin and the VMB mark. The thing is though I'm not used to seeing the serial # on the front of the ball in the grip area.
I'm not going to drill any holes until somebody can straighten this out. Thanks.
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Post by: livespive on January 02, 2009, 09:05:29 AM
Just start at the white pin, drawing a line that goes through the black pin,
and go 13.5", and make an x. That point will be your VMB Point.
Isn't there a small picture on the top of your drilling instructions?
http://www.visionarybowling.com/drillCentaurAMB.html
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Post by: J_Mac on January 02, 2009, 09:10:03 AM
Post by: livespive on January 02, 2009, 09:13:44 AM
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The CG mark on Visionary equipment is a small circle above the serial numbers unless something has changed recently.
Yeah, I forgot to mention that. lol It does not matter as you are not using it to find the VMB, or to lay out the ball.
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Post by: Moon57 on January 02, 2009, 09:15:54 AM
If I laid the ball out like you suggested I'd have the VMB in the wrong spot.
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Post by: Moon57 on January 02, 2009, 09:21:13 AM
Thanks for responding so quick guys. I want to get this drilled up as soon as the ball comes up to room temp.
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Post by: livespive on January 02, 2009, 09:27:18 AM
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livespive - After reading thru the link you sent me I see what the problem is now. On an AMB Centaur Particle the flip cap pin is white not black and the AMB pin is black not white. Visionary never bothered to include updated instructions for the AMB Centaur particle.
If I laid the ball out like you suggested I'd have the VMB in the wrong spot.
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Yeah, I think they do that because of the color of the ball......
The flip cap pin is the larger of the 2 pins, and the locator pin is the smaller.
Beside the sheet tells you what color they are:
To Layout the AMB properly, you must first mark the "Virtual Mass Bias" by drawing a line from the 1/4" locator pin on the backside around the ball, through the 1/2" Flip Pin ****(black pin on the Bronze Pearl AMB, white pin on the Particle AMB)****. Mark an "x"180 degrees from the AMB pin (exact opposite side of the ball) 13 1/2" from the AMB pin which puts the "x" 6 3/4" from the flip pin. This Virtual Mass Bias point can then be treated using the same general rules that apply to other typical mass bias spots.
Unless it doesn't say that on your sheet.
But as you said:
"So many questions, so little time but I'm having fun."
You ARE having fun aren't you? lol
You will have fun once you get the ball drilled, and find enough oil for it. lol
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Post by: Moon57 on January 02, 2009, 09:42:57 AM
Thanks again.
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Post by: livespive on January 02, 2009, 09:44:52 AM
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The part that got me goofed up was the diagram of the ball on my instruction sheet showed a black flip cap pin. The instructions said white though. All is good now and I hope I have fun watching this ball hit the pocket when other people start blowing past their breakpoint. I've got enough other equipment that I only need this ball to do what it was intended to do.
Thanks again.
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No problem,
Trust me, it will
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Post by: Moon57 on January 02, 2009, 10:54:50 AM
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Post by: scotts33 on January 02, 2009, 10:57:50 AM
"Lane Conditions: Extremely Heavy Oil"
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Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on January 02, 2009, 11:06:48 AM
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If I may say, the 320 grit this ball comes with is so strong that you will need darn near Quakerstate motor oil to keep it in play or it will simply roll-out, stick it on a Ball resurfacing machine to at least 500 Abralon for about a hour so you can use it on realistic Heavy oil, doing a Final sand of 320 was Visionary's stupid mistake with this ball, I sanded mine to 1000 and still needs a 45 foot flood to keep it down!
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Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on January 02, 2009, 11:14:52 AM
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on January 02, 2009, 12:01:27 PM
I would use at least a 5 inch pin to pap but it is your call do whatever you deem fit.
Post by: Moon57 on January 02, 2009, 12:14:07 PM
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Post by: VBPadvertising on January 02, 2009, 12:51:51 PM
You must have received one of the original flyers instead of the corrected one for some reason. The 1/2" pin on the AMB Particle is white, and the locator pin is actually clear, but looks black inside the ball cause light doesn't penetrate it. The VMB is directly opposite the locator pin, or 13.5" from the locator pin through the white flip pin.
As far as the CG goes, they are correct. The CG is always marked with a small circle above the serial number. We haven't changed that.
Another way of looking at the drilling, is simply to mark a spot 6 3/4" from the white pin through the cg. This should be nearly identical to the 13 1/2" method, however it is not quite as accurate because the CG could be slightly off centerline. HOWEVER, all of our balls are checked to make sure that the CG is very close to being in center, so it wouldn't be off by much.
Jason Wonders
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Edited on 1/2/2009 1:53 PM
Post by: Moon57 on January 02, 2009, 01:59:38 PM
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Post by: Jay on January 02, 2009, 06:10:58 PM
Also, do all Visionary balls have the serial number close to the CG or is that just the AMBs? How much do Pin-CG distances vary on Visionary balls? I'm under the impression that it's not much because if the CG is always right above the serial number you'd have to vary the location of both.
Just curious. These particular balls are interesting to say the least.
Post by: rustylegacy on January 02, 2009, 08:23:45 PM
Post by: Moon57 on January 03, 2009, 04:55:56 AM
Do the newer Visionary balls have the serial# engraved so deep?
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on January 03, 2009, 12:16:06 PM
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Do the newer Visionary balls have the serial# engraved so deep?
I have an Ogre Solid with deep serials but on an Immortal Solid, the serial engraving is much narrower and does not look as deep, but that was a ball I purchased used, so it may have been sanded a lot prior to my ownership of it or Visionary uses different engraving machines in the factory.
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