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Equipment Boards => Visionary => Topic started by: millertime0299 on January 12, 2017, 10:07:03 AM
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I was wondering how Visionary's high performance coverstocks stack up to Storm/RG covers. I have thrown mainly Storm/RG HP balls but am wanting to try Visionary. I would like to get a comparison from someone who has thrown both. Are Visionary covers considered "super covers"?
I only recently discovered that Visionary was owned by the original Faball owners. This has me very intrigued about Visionary and, as a result, I just ordered The Crow because I needed a urethane ball in my bag. I'm very excited to see how it rolls for me.
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Everyone's definition of a "super" cover is probably different, but I will provide my take.
I have thrown Storm, including most recently the Zero Gravity, Optimus Solid, Loco Solid (yes, Roto, but essentially the same), IQ Tour Nano, and a few others. I also currently have every VBP ball in production and many of the discontinued balls as well. WHat I can tell you is if you are looking for a super absorbant cover that sucks in oil and then needs revived in 30 games, VBP does not do this. Jason put his most aggressive shell to date on the Spartan and even then the ball does not suck oil like Storm's (or pretty much any other company).
With VBP, you get durability. I am using a Frankie May Gryphon as my go to ball right now that was poured in 2005....12 years old, many games, my speed is over 18 and it still turns the corner and hits like it was brand new. I do regular cleaning on the ball of course.
With Storm, the first thing I noticed is the ball takes tons of lane shine if the ball is dull and there is quickly a track. With VBP, the ball shines a little and there is little to no tracking. The covers hold up much better.
A note on VBP (Visionary Bowling Products) stuff...I use tons of blems....Jason and the VBP crew are VERY picky about what is marked as a first. Many of the balls that you see from other companies that are weird looking pours compared to the rest of the balls or has a ton of phasing will get released most of the time as a 1st from the other companies. Not at VBP. Jason and his crew inspects every ball on the line and if everything doesn't meet their high standards, it is marked as a blem. Tons of good deals to be found for slightly cheaper price.
Jason is second to none with customer service. Great guy to work with to answer pretty much any question you may have.
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Don't forget the cores....Bowlerscellar.com still has both immortals for sale with that .078 differential and quite of few of the discontinued older releases at decent prices..a great way to test out and check out the company for reasonable prices.
Brad
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Don't forget the cores....Bowlerscellar.com still has both immortals for sale with that .078 differential and quite of few of the discontinued older releases at decent prices..a great way to test out and check out the company for reasonable prices.
Brad
That's a good site for Visionary, it seems to be having some server issues right now
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I was wondering how Visionary's high performance coverstocks stack up to Storm/RG covers. I have thrown mainly Storm/RG HP balls but am wanting to try Visionary. I would like to get a comparison from someone who has thrown both. Are Visionary covers considered "super covers"?
I only recently discovered that Visionary was owned by the original Faball owners. This has me very intrigued about Visionary and, as a result, I just ordered The Crow because I needed a urethane ball in my bag. I'm very excited to see how it rolls for me.
That Crow is a strong Urethane. WOWZERS is correct VBP stuff is built to last! They don't suck the oil off like other companies balls. Quality balls are what they do. VBP is now pouring for Seismic.
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what cover from storms stuff is comparable to the raven invasion. the raven invasion is 1 that i am really wanting to try from visionary as my 1st ball from them
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I don't know if there is anything comparable. Not knocking anybody, but quite frankly, Storm's covers track up easy, require more maintenance, soak up lots of oil (by design, not a knock) and almost naturally promote a hockey stick type ball reaction. This is what Storm is famous for and they have made a name for themselves in the market.
Visionary covers are very durable (don't track up), do no suck up oil, and do not have a natural hockey stick type reaction.
The Raven Invasion is a great pearl. I hate pearls...really do. LOTS. However, last summer I bowled in a sport league using 4 different patterns and the Invasion was money on the medium length pattern.
Haven't thrown Storm in over a year, so not sure what to tell you other than what I said above. I have 3 Frankie May Gryphs drilled that the newest one was poured in 2006 and they all react the same as the day I drilled them. I never could say that for any Storm ball I threw a few weeks later, let alone a decade+ later.
Try the Invasion...provided your pro shop operator matches you up right with the ball, you will NOT be disappointed.
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So is the Seismic EVO hybrid a Visionary cover?
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So is the Seismic EVO hybrid a Visionary cover?
As of the last 2 Seismic balls, Visionary is manufacturing Seismic balls. So, yes, they are using Visionary coverstocks with their own cores, as of the moment.
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So what kind of reaction should I expect from the Raven invasion. And is visionary stuff more of a smoother look vs storms hockey stick / back end type reaction ?
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For me, the Raven Invasion was a smoother arcing ball. Kind of similar to the first video on this link:
https://www.visionarybowling.com/ball/raven-invasion
Usually the condition that Visionary says a ball was designed for is true for me.
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I had a Reax2 and a Ridiculous Asym. Both balls were very late.. and very very strong.. Problem was after 60ish games I cant get them anywhere close to what they were.
No amount of bleeding and resurfacing will bring them back. The IQ Nano Tour solid was an amazing ball... for 40+ games. then just another solid ball that went dead.
So If your looking for skid/snap or really late breaking stuff you will not find it in the Visionary brand.
You will find stuff that hooks.. and hooks hard but more of a really strong arc. that just lasts. I have well over 150+ games on my Attack and it works as it did the day I drilled it. Same for all my VBP balls...
Invasion is later by the nature of being a polished pearl than the Attack or say the original Raven, but you cant call it a hockey stick reaction. just a later strong arc that in my opinion carries really really well.
Just wish they would replace the Ogre line. Need that mid price benchmark ball line again.
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Until last year I was still using an old Visionary Blue Warlock (circa 2001) and it had hundreds of games on it easily. Only reason why I am not using it now is because I had to change hands and drop weight due to an injury.
I just dug out an old Green Gargoyle that I had drilled LH many years ago as an experiment and used it yesterday. Wrong condition for it as everyone was complaining about no backends, but I still managed to hit average with it. I have to have it plugged and redrilled because the pitches are wrong now.
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Where are they poured?
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Where are they poured?
St. Louis, MO
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also another question I'm looking to try 2 balls from visionary for med-heavy and also lighter conditions I don't really see heavy shots very much at all so I will keep more of my stuff aimed at those conditions anyway I was looking at the samurai and the raven invasion what would some of your suggestions be based on experiences with visionary. I'm a med speed abt 15 mph and med revs most of my stuff is pin up drillings.Thanks in advance
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also another question I'm looking to try 2 balls from visionary for med-heavy and also lighter conditions I don't really see heavy shots very much at all so I will keep more of my stuff aimed at those conditions anyway I was looking at the samurai and the raven invasion what would some of your suggestions be based on experiences with visionary. I'm a med speed abt 15 mph and med revs most of my stuff is pin up drillings.Thanks in advance
Wish I could help you, but I am not good at that. I know a bowler who was using a Classic and I thought a Samurai would be a good go-to ball for him when the lanes broke down (I was thinking more length), to follow the Classic. He bought a Samurai and says that it is the strongest ball he owns, stronger than his two Storms, so he can't use it most times. I was off the mark there.
Best I can do is to let you know that you can leave a message at Visionary and see what they recommend for you. Give them as much info about you as you can (style, speed, rev rate, RH/LH, PAP, lane conditions you bowl on, etc).
https://www.visionarybowling.com/contact