Post by: thebowlingicon on June 23, 2009, 01:57:02 PM
Do they manufacture there own stuff?
What brand is it most like?
Thanks for the replies
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Post by: MC on June 23, 2009, 11:34:23 PM
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Post by: J_w73 on June 24, 2009, 01:08:28 AM
what hammer balls did you throw???
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Post by: thebowlingicon on June 24, 2009, 01:57:21 AM
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Post by: dizzyfugu on June 24, 2009, 02:13:12 AM
I'd always recommend them, I have been positively surprised, and I tried a lot of brand before.
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Post by: gsback on June 24, 2009, 06:41:23 AM
So you want to know more about Visionary!! Good choice!!
If you do a little looking around, you will notice that the forum has a dedicated following of bowlers who love the stuff Visionary produces. And if you go to their webpage, www.visionarybowling.com, you can snoop around and you’ll run across the following eventually, “Our two main beliefs at Visionary have always been to produce bowling balls that work for the general public - not just the pros, and to release new balls that fill a performance void in our line such as hook, length, back end reaction, etcâ€. There you have what Visionary is all about!!
You are not going to see a ball of the month club in terms of releases….nor are you going to see a release of 3 different sets of balls 4 times a year…..no. They have balls that have been going strong for over 3 years now that are still offered. When the Immortal line was banned by the USBC due to the numbers the ball produces (the ball is still for sale mind you!!) they came up with a new lineup. Point is they have function….and keep it that way.
I threw Hammer before….that’s all I liked. I wasn’t too high on the Ebonite stuff, but I loved the Blade and Diesel lineups. What I really liked though, was the Faball stuff….the original Hammer stuff. And for your information, the family that created the Faball stuff is the same family that produces Visionary. Point is…..if you like aggressive….they have aggressive. But if you like control….there is plenty of that as well. It all depends on what your cup of tea is.
To help you out, I’m adding a link to another thread. This should help you out in your decision about Visionary balls and possibly what to look for in terms of reaction. The information on the balls is about 1/2 way down and posted by irishluck821.
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=205312&ForumID=15&CategoryID=2
In your thread though, it seems you play a down and in shot as well as a small belly hook. Not sure what you have for hand in the ball but that would help out a little. I’ve thrown a lot of the new stuff ranging from the New Breeds to some of the older stuff like the Gargoyles. In my opinion….you really can’t go wrong.
If you want aggressive and still want to play your lines….the New Breeds will do that. If you want control for the same lines, you go to something like a Violet Gargoyle, which to me is another version of the Hammer Hi-Rev Offset….my personal favorite. You just have to research a little and then….pick your poison. It’s really that simple.
And, no FIGJAM….but I am one of the people that is a perfect example of what Visionary has done for my game. I never hit the elusive 300….had a couple 299s, but in one year have thrown 4 300 games with 4 different Visionary balls. In my opinion….they simply work great!!
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Post by: gsback on June 24, 2009, 06:43:05 AM
They all take the time to work with you in terms of questions...issues...anything. And quality is above anything else I've seen before.
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Post by: Powermachine- on June 24, 2009, 07:21:43 AM
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Post by: J_w73 on June 24, 2009, 09:20:46 AM
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I threw the psycho and the razyr. The razyr I kept but the psycho was a 145.00 paper weight. I throw about 15 mph and usually about 15-10 or straight up 6-9 as the shot dictates. I like the comment they are not like anyone else.
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ok.. well that doesn't tell why you didn't like them.. Why did you keep the razyr?.. what did you like about it? What didn't you like about the psycho..
If you liked the razyr.. right off the bat I'm thinking the lanes you bowl on are medium-dry to dry.. and with you liking the 15 - 10 line I would imagine your psycho is burning up too much and the ball is (depending on ball speed and revs) hooking too early or if it is getting down the lane it has nothing left for the backend and is hitting at a bad angle and not carrying..
that is just a guess since you didn't give any information....
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Post by: gsback on June 24, 2009, 11:29:29 AM
Powermachine, I think the prices are fair. Depends on where you are buying and how though. Once you satisfy the number of free balls for the test staff, balls are available for 1/2 off the retail price.
I would think that for a ball like the Ogre, and knowing the price shipped, when you add the drilling and all, the price is not a bad price at all for a mid line ball. Same really goes for the top of the line balls.
I do agree with J_w73. Knowing information about what you liked and didn't like would be better....and knowing a little about the lanes would help too. At least recommendations can be more easily made.
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Post by: lenstanles703 on June 24, 2009, 02:32:01 PM
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Post by: thebowlingicon on June 24, 2009, 02:34:07 PM
Ebonite Gamebreaker (1st ball out of the bag) Solid
Roto Grip RS1 Pearl
Roto Grip Venus Pearl Particle
Morich WMB Matte Particle
Hammer Razyr Pearl
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Post by: gsback on June 24, 2009, 03:56:08 PM
Depending on what you are looking for....my suggestions are based on my playing the lanes in the same manner.
NB solid will handle oil for you and you'll be able to swing the ball.
Gladiator Pearl is a great ball for me on down and in.
Ogre Pearl is a great ball on the same line and I'll venture a little right as well.
G-3 is yet another that will play the line.
I am sure that there are more....but those are my favs. NB solid I don't use that much out there, but when it's heavier oil I will.
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Post by: MC on June 24, 2009, 07:38:31 PM
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OGRE PEARL hands down.....You won't be sorry.
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absolutely agree. Very strong choice. Should be able to use on your "go to" shot. Stronger backend choice could be the New Breed Pearl. One of these 2 are the first out of the bag for me. Good Luck!
PS: Video of both of these balls are up on www.videoballreviews.com
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Post by: thebowlingicon on June 25, 2009, 03:21:03 PM
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Post by: gsback on June 25, 2009, 04:34:18 PM
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Stronger backend choice could be the New Breed Pearl.
G-3 as well, depending on what it is you are looking for.
See here for for:
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=229028&ForumID=15&CategoryID=2
As for 50% off question, that's best deferred to the experts at Visionary to supply you that answer. Jason is on here and you could IM him at his ID of VBPadvertising.
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on June 25, 2009, 08:30:47 PM
Most the information about our products is available on the website but I can give you a general run down of the product lines.
AMB line (discontinued due to the change in RG differential rules by the USBC - but still available and legal to use in all USBC competitions - we just can't produce them any more.)
AMB Particle is a very aggressive oil ball. Designed for heavy oil with an early arc reaction through the entire lane. Can burn up and die on the back if there's not enough oil or ball speed. Won't be flippy on the back no matter how it's drilled.
AMB Solid will go longer than the particle and have more backend. It's designed for med-med/hvy oil with a strong arc reaction. Can be drilled to roll earlier and more arc or longer with more flip - but won't be snappy.
AMB Bronze Pearl will go the longest of the AMB series and flip more on the backend but because of the flare potential it still won't be a skid/snap reaction. Good for med to med/light conditions.
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IMMORTAL line (discontinued due to the change in RG differential rules by the USBC - but still available and legal to use in all USBC competitions - we just can't produce them any more.)
IMMORTAL solid will hook a little more and little sooner than the AMB solid. Designed for med-med/hvy oil with a stronger move overall than the AMB.
IMMORTAL pearl will flip a little more on the back for most people than the Bronze because of the cover but can be made to roll earlier than the Bronze with early drillings because of the higher differential.
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GRYPHON line
Frankie May GRYPHON will make a stronger and sharper move on the back than the AMB or IMMORTALs because it doesn't flare as much or roll as soon. Surface can be easily adjusted to fit most conditions from med/hvy to med/light. This is a very versatile ball.
G-3 GRYPHON will skate much longer and snap more on the back than the FM Gryphon or either AMB or IMMORTAL pearls. This ball definitely gets down the lane and then unloads with a kick on the back. Good for opening up the lanes or when you have to move inside and cover a lot of boards while needing recovery on the backend. Too hard to control if the lanes are drastically over/under reactions.
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OGRE line
OGRE solid will get down the lane easier than the AMB and IMMORTALs with a good roll and predictable read. Not quite as strong as the FM Gryphon but still a good med-med/hvy oil ball.
OGRE pearl (purple/black) will go longer than the solid but start sooner and handle oil and carrydown better than the SS Ogre. Good middle of the road ball to start with - then go to the solid on more oil or the SS on lighter oil.
OGRE SS will skate further than the purple pearl but flip harder on the back. Like the G-3 its a good ball to open up the lanes or play deeper inside lines needing recovery on the back. Not quite as strong as the G-3 for most people.
OGRE particle will hook more in the oil than all the other OGRES. The particles give it more grab than the Ogre solid but it won't burn up early like the AMB particle might. It is much easier to get down the lane than the AMB particle and offers more backend but it won't handle an extreme flood as well as the AMB particle would. Good for med-hvy oil
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GLADIATOR line
GLADIATOR solid will give an earlier midlane roll with a controlled arc reaction. Starts sooner than the Ogre solid with more of a sweeping arc motion. Good for evening out the over/under reactions found on touchier conditions. Good for med-med/hvy oil.
GLADIATOR pearl will go longer and save more energy for a sharper backend then the solid but will still be an arc motion just harder and a little sharper. Handles longer oil better than a lot of pearls because the core gets it into a roll sooner. Will start hooking sooner than the SS ogre and even the purple Ogre pearl for most people with a more even predictable reaction than the Ogre line.
All in all -
Crankers needing more control will like the Gladiators and Ogres
Average bowlers will like almost all - preferring Ogres and Gladiators for their control and predictability.
Those needing help hooking the ball will like the AMB, IMMORTAL, and GRYPHONS
Hope this helps,
Jim (Visionary)
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Post by: sluggo35 on June 26, 2009, 12:56:53 AM
Post by: mainzer on June 26, 2009, 07:49:44 AM
Check my reviews for exacts but I would VBP again in the future no question.
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Post by: Lefty_bowler on June 26, 2009, 09:22:30 AM
Post by: gsback on June 26, 2009, 10:40:04 AM
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