As of last week Betsy had asked not to release the specs yet so I will have to bite my tongue for a bit longer

Scotts

Don't know what has happened to you lately, but for me it is sometimes about the specs. As a former staffer of 3 different companies, I can tell you that when I want a certain reaction I look at the cover first and then the core specs to ensure the ball will shape as I want it to.

Yes, it is about the core. If Visionary was to put out the same Warlock as 15 years ago, the ball would not react well on today's conditioners. The ball would be a light medium to drier lane condition ball, not a good selling point. For the ball to be competitive, you need a stronger cover, but for everyone who loved the Warlock roll and hit, you still need the same engine! Remember when Columbia introduced the Cuda 2000...everyone thought it was the original Cuda/C core with the Holoflex cover. Come to find out the ball did NOT have the Ceramicore and it was a different core...that is why Columbia came out with the Cuda/C 2000 later to make everyone happy that complained. If Visionary was to come out with a new Warlock but have a completely different core, that would be misleading. So yes, I am very interested in the specs to see how close it is to the original as I am sure others are.

Your zeal for putting down Visionary in the last few months has been over the top. I do not know if you had a bad experience or what the deal is, but it seems every chance you get you place a little bit extra into the downgrading of them or turn the knife just a little bit more or push the knife deeper. So they made a Z line spin ball that for you was not good. I have seen some vids of people who have thrown the Mixed Breeds VERY well. Sorry they do not match for you, just like Storm and Roto do not match for me.

However, that does not mean you are always right and we are always wrong. You are entitled to your opinion but it is only that, one opinion.

3835

Sounds good to me. After respecting you and your opinion for so long, I guess the Ignore list is where you belong as a crabby old man. Sorry to see that happen to you.

3835

Quote from: 3835 on Today at 07:03:18 AM

    Sounds good to me. After respecting you and your opinion for so long, I guess the Ignore list is where you belong as a crabby old man. Sorry to see that happen to you.

    3835


I was a big VBP person for years.  I, too, have been disappointed with VBP the past few years for one reason.  Its not that they released z-spin equipment.  Its the fact that they did not promote the balls as such.  So when people drilled the balls with their favorite layouts, they rolled like crap; almost a hook stop motion with little to no continuation.  I have owned probably 10+ VBP balls in my career.  My downfall came with the Crossover.  I took my favorite layout and even kicked the cg a little farther right than I normally do and even a weight hole down.  If I did not add alot of axis rotation, the ball was borderline hook/stop.

So after researching and talking with Jason, it was then that he said they were z-spinners and you had to lay the balls out in a particular way.  When he said that it made total sense.  However, it was not disclosed until after people had already bought the balls and drilled them.  That kind of rubbed me the wrong way.  Once the word got out about the z-spin and people drilled them accordingly, thats when people were seeing a much better ball roll.

So that is my gripe.  For those that were pretty loyal to VBP feel like they got the raw end of the deal initially with the z-spinners.  Hope that clarifies things.

Exactly my feelings and the same results that I got Steve.  Glad I am not the only one to see this and report it.  So, many only want to hear the good things and not the picture of the whole issue.

My main issue is that during the 4-5 year period of what I would term a usable ball for the majority on house conditions nothing was brought out.  JMO but how do you go that long producing z-spinner after z-spinner that gave the hook-stop reaction and not bring out a usable house condition symmetrical ball? 

I for one love my Mixed Breed Crossover, but I wasn't crazy about the New Breed line! I love my Gladiator pearl and use it when the Mixed Breed and The Classic are too strong! The Classic is an amazing piece and everybody that I let test it love it! The specs for the Warlock XV are in BTM and isn't really a secret not unless they change it from what they sent to BTM to test! Just my $.02, Bruce

was given the ok so here you go.

Warlock XV

RG:  2.57”
Total Diff:  .038”
Symetric Core
Color:  Cream/Purple
Finish:  2000 Abralon
13-16# XV Core
10-12# Lite Wt Core
Coverstock XV Reactive
Core:  Warlock

I do not have any Intel on the cover as of yet, once I know more ill post it.

ball \ core pic

Quote from: scotts33 on February 06, 2013, 07:53:05 AM

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Quote from: 3835 on Today at 07:03:18 AM

    Sounds good to me. After respecting you and your opinion for so long, I guess the Ignore list is where you belong as a crabby old man. Sorry to see that happen to you.

    3835


I was a big VBP person for years.  I, too, have been disappointed with VBP the past few years for one reason.  Its not that they released z-spin equipment.  Its the fact that they did not promote the balls as such.  So when people drilled the balls with their favorite layouts, they rolled like crap; almost a hook stop motion with little to no continuation.  I have owned probably 10+ VBP balls in my career.  My downfall came with the Crossover.  I took my favorite layout and even kicked the cg a little farther right than I normally do and even a weight hole down.  If I did not add alot of axis rotation, the ball was borderline hook/stop.

So after researching and talking with Jason, it was then that he said they were z-spinners and you had to lay the balls out in a particular way.  When he said that it made total sense.  However, it was not disclosed until after people had already bought the balls and drilled them.  That kind of rubbed me the wrong way.  Once the word got out about the z-spin and people drilled them accordingly, thats when people were seeing a much better ball roll.

So that is my gripe.  For those that were pretty loyal to VBP feel like they got the raw end of the deal initially with the z-spinners.  Hope that clarifies things.

Exactly my feelings and the same results that I got Steve.  Glad I am not the only one to see this and report it.  So, many only want to hear the good things and not the picture of the whole issue.

My main issue is that during the 4-5 year period of what I would term a usable ball for the majority on house conditions nothing was brought out.  JMO but how do you go that long producing z-spinner after z-spinner that gave the hook-stop reaction and not bring out a usable house condition symmetrical ball? 

I am not sure why they have waited this long to produce a new symmetrical cored ball.  I am excited to see how this puppy is going to roll though.  Unfortunately, since it has been this long, and because a friend of mine is an Ebonite International Staffer, I have dabbled into that side and I must say I have been pretty impressed.  I have drilled a Tornado and a Violent Eruption.  So I really dont need anything else right now.  All that aside, I am very curious to see the new Warlock.

Dont forget the Classic, it might be listed as Asym but it is soooo small it really is a sym and should be drilled as one.

was just a cut n paste of what they had sent me, I am assuming that it will be in the 16# also.  I will ask just to make sure


**edit**  yes is a typo and ill fix the original